Origin of this knife?

Chris Evans · 7th April 2006, 03:35 AM

Hi,

A Correction:

In my haste I forgot to mention that according to Argentinean authorities a "puñal" is a cuchillo with a substantial false edge, which in many cases is left blunt - As with the term "facon", this nomenclature is also used fairly loosely.

Also, According to the Argentinean expert Abel Domenech, and confirmed by my own observations, is the disproportionate emphasis placed on the decoration of those very ornate criollo knives, whilst in too many cases the blade's finish and general quality is quite basic or even disappointing. Domenech concludes that for the owners of these knives appearance was considerably more important than function. As an aside, I made the same observation about a good many antique Spanish navajas found in collections.

Cheers
Chris

Brezolin · 2nd September 2011, 04:15 AM

Hello Guys!
I'm reviving this topic to add new information!

This knife is a knife with certainty Brazilian. Probably this is a “Mineira” knife. This type of knives (Mineira) were produced starting in the end century XVIII the state of Minas Gerais, Brazil.
Present on the cable, sheath and ricasso pretty loud in silver. The grooves and details on the blade are not rare, and appear in various knives.
This model influenced the type of “faca de ponta”, another Brazilian model.

This link has extensive information on Brasilian Knives...
http://www.colecaoorsini.com.br/
But in the Portuguese language.

Best regards

Brezolin

PS: Sorry for my english, I'm using Google translator.

Atlantia · 2nd September 2011, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brezolin

Hello Guys!
I'm reviving this topic to add new information!

This knife is a knife with certainty Brazilian. Probably this is a “Mineira” knife. This type of knives (Mineira) were produced starting in the end century XVIII the state of Minas Gerais, Brazil.
Present on the cable, sheath and ricasso pretty loud in silver. The grooves and details on the blade are not rare, and appear in various knives.
This model influenced the type of “faca de ponta”, another Brazilian model.

This link has extensive information on Brasilian Knives...
http://www.colecaoorsini.com.br/
But in the Portuguese language.

Best regards

Brezolin

PS: Sorry for my english, I'm using Google translator.

Hi Brezolin,

Your English translation is excellent, do not worry.
Thank you for the information and welcome to the forums.
I assumed that these small Brazilian knives were still generically known simply as 'Faca De Ponta', so it's very interesting to hear that these small ones are “Mineira”.
Could you have a look at this thread please:
Faca de ponta
I would be greatful is you could review my 'findings' into the below examples and make any comments or corrections?

Regards
Gene

Chris Evans · 3rd September 2011, 10:32 AM

Brezolin,

Muito obrigado

for your post and that wonderful link to Brazilian knives.

Cheers
Chris

Maskell · 3rd September 2011, 12:38 PM

I don't know what this piece is, I see some similarity in this post, the metal mounts are aluminum, the guard in the shape of a Lebel bayonet. The pumpkin shape ball pommel is horn and much eaten by insects. Grip is reeded bone. 17" overall. Any idea?

Best,
Jerry

Tim Simmons · 3rd September 2011, 06:25 PM

Great topic very interesting, I like the cross referencing. Jerry your knife is from West Africa, French speaking west Africa. There is stuff in the archive I will try to find. In the meantime here are some of mine.

Links and waffle.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...net+collectors
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=liberia

Maskell · 4th September 2011, 03:43 PM

Tim,

Thanks so much for your information and the links, until now with your help I had no idea and West Africa it appears to be.

Many thanks,
Jerry

2nd September 2011, 04:15 AM	#2
Brezolin Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: São Borja, Rio Grande do Sul, Brasil Posts: 3	Reactivating topic! Hello Guys! I'm reviving this topic to add new information! This knife is a knife with certainty Brazilian. Probably this is a “Mineira” knife. This type of knives (Mineira) were produced starting in the end century XVIII the state of Minas Gerais, Brazil. Present on the cable, sheath and ricasso pretty loud in silver. The grooves and details on the blade are not rare, and appear in various knives. This model influenced the type of “faca de ponta”, another Brazilian model. This link has extensive information on Brasilian Knives... http://www.colecaoorsini.com.br/ But in the Portuguese language. Best regards Brezolin PS: Sorry for my english, I'm using Google translator.

3rd September 2011, 12:38 PM	#5
Maskell Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 38	I don't know what this piece is, I see some similarity in this post, the metal mounts are aluminum, the guard in the shape of a Lebel bayonet. The pumpkin shape ball pommel is horn and much eaten by insects. Grip is reeded bone. 17" overall. Any idea? Best, Jerry Attached Images

3rd September 2011, 06:25 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,875	Great topic very interesting, I like the cross referencing. Jerry your knife is from West Africa, French speaking west Africa. There is stuff in the archive I will try to find. In the meantime here are some of mine. Links and waffle. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...net+collectors http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=liberia Attached Images Last edited by Tim Simmons; 3rd September 2011 at 06:40 PM.

7th April 2006, 03:35 AM	#1
Chris Evans Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 685	Hi, A Correction: In my haste I forgot to mention that according to Argentinean authorities a "puñal" is a cuchillo with a substantial false edge, which in many cases is left blunt - As with the term "facon", this nomenclature is also used fairly loosely. Also, According to the Argentinean expert Abel Domenech, and confirmed by my own observations, is the disproportionate emphasis placed on the decoration of those very ornate criollo knives, whilst in too many cases the blade's finish and general quality is quite basic or even disappointing. Domenech concludes that for the owners of these knives appearance was considerably more important than function. As an aside, I made the same observation about a good many antique Spanish navajas found in collections. Cheers Chris

3rd September 2011, 10:32 AM	#4
Chris Evans Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 685	Brezolin, Muito obrigado for your post and that wonderful link to Brazilian knives. Cheers Chris

4th September 2011, 03:43 PM	#7
Maskell Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 38	Tim, Thanks so much for your information and the links, until now with your help I had no idea and West Africa it appears to be. Many thanks, Jerry