An Italian Falchion

Cerjak · 11th June 2018, 03:47 PM

Rapier blade ??
based on the pictures look very nice !
I would not be worry about the difference of oxidation blade /hilt they are different metal.
See the bellow picture with a similar blade.Venetian Falchion, circa 1600-1610
Best
CERJAK

CSinTX · 14th June 2018, 09:25 PM

I meant to say rapier guard, not blade.

Thanks Cerjak for the pics. I had not seen that one. I see your example has the same "typewriter" style font on the blade and looks to also have similar file marks on the guard.

There is this one with the more complex hilt at the Stiftung Baumann museum in Germany. Thanks to Carl Koppeschaar for his pictures.

CSinTX · 12th January 2020, 04:25 PM

Just adding to the record here. A similar example recently listed at HH.

https://www.hermann-historica.de/en/...s/lot/id/33895

"Sturdy, slightly curved single-edged blade with double-edged point and narrow fuller on either side. Struck right underneath the back a frieze of scrolling leaves. The ricasso struck on both sides with a Cesar head mark. Finely ridged bar hilt, the obverse lower bar in the form of a stylised fleur-de-lis. Grip with fine iron wrap and Turk's heads. The shoulder of the blade with old, white collection number, attached to the hilt a copper mark with the number "136". Flat pommel ridged on either side. Length 86.5 cm.
Provenance:Collection Galopim, Geneva."

Jens Nordlunde · 12th January 2020, 06:06 PM

I am not into European weapons, but could the SZ stand for the canton Schwyz in the central part of Switzerland just north of the Alps?

David R · 12th January 2020, 11:48 PM

Very nice and interesting swords, an Italian take on basket hilt shearing swords.

corrado26 · 13th January 2020, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

I am not into European weapons, but could the SZ stand for the canton Schwyz in the central part of Switzerland just north of the Alps?

If Switzerland, the "SZ" could also stand for "Stadt Zürich" (City of Zuerich), but why then the "fleur de lis" which is normally a French symbol?

Victrix · 13th January 2020, 03:08 PM

According to Staffan Kinman’s excellent European Makers of Edged Weapons, Their Marks (2015) the mark Z B is for Zeughaus Bern from around 1540.

If you consult Schneider’s Waffen im Schweizerischen Landesmuseum (1980) you may find what Z S stands for.

corrado26 · 13th January 2020, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Victrix

If you consult Schneider’s Waffen im Schweizerischen Landesmuseum (1980) you may find what Z S stands for.

Is it really a "ZS" or eventually a "SZ" It depends on from which side you look at!

11th June 2018, 03:47 PM	#1
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Rapier blade ?? based on the pictures look very nice ! I would not be worry about the difference of oxidation blade /hilt they are different metal. See the bellow picture with a similar blade.Venetian Falchion, circa 1600-1610 Best CERJAK Attached Images

14th June 2018, 09:25 PM	#2
CSinTX Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 233	I meant to say rapier guard, not blade. Thanks Cerjak for the pics. I had not seen that one. I see your example has the same "typewriter" style font on the blade and looks to also have similar file marks on the guard. There is this one with the more complex hilt at the Stiftung Baumann museum in Germany. Thanks to Carl Koppeschaar for his pictures. Attached Images

12th January 2020, 04:25 PM	#3
CSinTX Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 233	Just adding to the record here. A similar example recently listed at HH. https://www.hermann-historica.de/en/...s/lot/id/33895 "Sturdy, slightly curved single-edged blade with double-edged point and narrow fuller on either side. Struck right underneath the back a frieze of scrolling leaves. The ricasso struck on both sides with a Cesar head mark. Finely ridged bar hilt, the obverse lower bar in the form of a stylised fleur-de-lis. Grip with fine iron wrap and Turk's heads. The shoulder of the blade with old, white collection number, attached to the hilt a copper mark with the number "136". Flat pommel ridged on either side. Length 86.5 cm. Provenance:Collection Galopim, Geneva." Attached Images

12th January 2020, 06:06 PM	#4
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	I am not into European weapons, but could the SZ stand for the canton Schwyz in the central part of Switzerland just north of the Alps?

12th January 2020, 11:48 PM	#5
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,120	Very nice and interesting swords, an Italian take on basket hilt shearing swords.

13th January 2020, 03:08 PM	#7
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	According to Staffan Kinman’s excellent European Makers of Edged Weapons, Their Marks (2015) the mark Z B is for Zeughaus Bern from around 1540. If you consult Schneider’s Waffen im Schweizerischen Landesmuseum (1980) you may find what Z S stands for.