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kai · 9th June 2018, 04:03 PM

Hello Ridho,

Looks like a double Naga to me (gandhik naga penganten).

I don't think any dhapur can be assigned to this keris: IMHO it does seem to be a Karmadikan blade that doesn't follow any traditional pakem AFAIK.

I hope some of our forumites will contribute similar examples for comparison. I've seen a few (apparently of lesser quality than yours) - can't post any currently for sale though.

BTW, more light will allow you to take better pics! Here is a thread with lots of tips: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10581

Regards,
Kai

A. G. Maisey · 9th June 2018, 10:34 PM

Yes Kai, Kemardikan, no legitimate Surakarta dhapur.

I specify "Surakarta", because that is the only documented one that we have.

drdavid · 9th June 2018, 11:47 PM

Hello Ridho, I am afraid I cannot add to the comments, but could I suggest photographing your keris with a plain background rather than a patterned one, it makes it easier to pick out the details
regards
Drdavid

ridho pulungan · 11th June 2018, 04:47 PM

Sorry for bad picture..i will send another picture later..thanks you for all your kind comment..
Regards.

ridho pulungan · 12th June 2018, 04:14 AM

Hi guys..
Hope this picture can make you more clear about this keris.
Regards.
Ridho Pulungan

David · 12th June 2018, 02:18 PM

Yes Ridho, these are better photos in that they are not shaky and blurry, but they are a bit too dark to show the details well. I hope you don't mind that i lightened one up for better viewing.

David · 12th June 2018, 02:26 PM

I think what we can now see shows why you identified this figures as Singo rather than Naga. They have front legs and paws, not a feature generally shown on Naga. They also seem to have manes. Then again the legs seem to have scales.
I believe we have already established this keris as Kemardikan. As such, many of the rules of presentation go out the window. To my eye the creatures represented on this blade are neither Naga or Singo. Perhaps they were created to be a combination of both. This is a nicely crafted and elaborately dressed bit of modern keris art. I don't believe we can hold it to any of the standards of pakem or say for sure exactly what the creatures on the blade are intended to be as they don't seem to fit into any traditional form.

ridho pulungan · 13th June 2018, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Yes Ridho, these are better photos in that they are not shaky and blurry, but they are a bit too dark to show the details well. I hope you don't mind that i lightened one up for better viewing.

Thank you so much David.

ridho pulungan · 12th June 2018, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

Hello Ridho,

Looks like a double Naga to me (gandhik naga penganten).

I don't think any dhapur can be assigned to this keris: IMHO it does seem to be a Karmadikan blade that doesn't follow any traditional pakem AFAIK.

I hope some of our forumites will contribute similar examples for comparison. I've seen a few (apparently of lesser quality than yours) - can't post any currently for sale though.

BTW, more light will allow you to take better pics! Here is a thread with lots of tips: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10581

Regards,
Kai

Thank you so much for the link thread Kai. I'll soon post a new picture of this keris.
But Kai,according to what i know (this maybe wrong because my lack of my knowledge) this keris isn't dhapur Naga,because ,the Naga dhapur always crowned by a different crown depend on the naga.
This is several of keris with dhapur Naga from my own collections. Please correct me if i was wrong. I'm just a learner. Be patient with me ok Kai, and Alan..you're my idol. Seriously!
Regards.
Ridho Pulungan

ridho pulungan · 13th June 2018, 12:11 AM

Please find the picture below Alan. That the layer of the keris under the magnificiant lens that might be interesting.
Best regards.

12th June 2018, 04:14 AM	#5
ridho pulungan Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Bogor, west java, Indonesia Posts: 21	Hi guys.. Hope this picture can make you more clear about this keris. Regards. Ridho Pulungan Attached Images

12th June 2018, 02:18 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	Yes Ridho, these are better photos in that they are not shaky and blurry, but they are a bit too dark to show the details well. I hope you don't mind that i lightened one up for better viewing. Attached Images

13th June 2018, 12:11 AM	#10
ridho pulungan Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Bogor, west java, Indonesia Posts: 21	For my Guru Alan.. Please find the picture below Alan. That the layer of the keris under the magnificiant lens that might be interesting. Best regards. Attached Images

9th June 2018, 04:03 PM	#1
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Ridho, Looks like a double Naga to me (gandhik naga penganten). I don't think any dhapur can be assigned to this keris: IMHO it does seem to be a Karmadikan blade that doesn't follow any traditional pakem AFAIK. I hope some of our forumites will contribute similar examples for comparison. I've seen a few (apparently of lesser quality than yours) - can't post any currently for sale though. BTW, more light will allow you to take better pics! Here is a thread with lots of tips: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10581 Regards, Kai

9th June 2018, 10:34 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Yes Kai, Kemardikan, no legitimate Surakarta dhapur. I specify "Surakarta", because that is the only documented one that we have.

9th June 2018, 11:47 PM	#3
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 372	Hello Ridho, I am afraid I cannot add to the comments, but could I suggest photographing your keris with a plain background rather than a patterned one, it makes it easier to pick out the details regards Drdavid

11th June 2018, 04:47 PM	#4
ridho pulungan Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Bogor, west java, Indonesia Posts: 21	Sorry for bad picture..i will send another picture later..thanks you for all your kind comment.. Regards.

12th June 2018, 02:26 PM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	I think what we can now see shows why you identified this figures as Singo rather than Naga. They have front legs and paws, not a feature generally shown on Naga. They also seem to have manes. Then again the legs seem to have scales. I believe we have already established this keris as Kemardikan. As such, many of the rules of presentation go out the window. To my eye the creatures represented on this blade are neither Naga or Singo. Perhaps they were created to be a combination of both. This is a nicely crafted and elaborately dressed bit of modern keris art. I don't believe we can hold it to any of the standards of pakem or say for sure exactly what the creatures on the blade are intended to be as they don't seem to fit into any traditional form.