Figurative Hilt ID

drdavid · 2nd May 2018, 10:36 PM

Hi David, not much to contribute but I think your call that this is Lord Ganesha is probably correct, both hands are holding something, ? the left hand a conch, no idea what is in the other hand
cheers
Drd

A. G. Maisey · 3rd May 2018, 12:08 AM

No, this is not Ganesha, it is most probably intended as a representation of Jentayu (Jatayu).

David · 3rd May 2018, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

No, this is not Ganesha, it is most probably intended as a representation of Jentayu (Jatayu).

I always thought the long face looked more beak than trunk.
Any thoughts on origins Alan, or what, if any, dress this hilt would best serve?

Rick · 3rd May 2018, 04:05 AM

I have to wonder if it would actually be used within the culture it originates from.
Would it not be considered as a bit over the top?

David · 3rd May 2018, 04:38 AM

I don't know Rick. I don't think anyone has actually determines what culture it originates from so i don't know how to answer your question. If indeed it represents a Hindu concept than could it have originated in one of the Balinese enclaves in Madura? If it is a Hindu representation it doesn't seem over the top to me at all.

No one has commented on the material yet. What do you think, bone or antler?

Rick · 3rd May 2018, 05:53 AM

I'll guess bone David. At the bottom of the handle is a ring which I think covers the marrow area.

A. G. Maisey · 3rd May 2018, 06:15 AM

Looks like bone to me.

My guess is Madura, Sumenep work, and 1980's --- but if you say you got it previous to this David, well, just take it back to where you think reasonable.

It would perhaps sit best on something East Jawa/North Coast/Madura.

Yes, certainly Jentayu is Hindu, but the East Jawa/Madura carvers draw on all societies, cultures, periods for inspiration.

2nd May 2018, 10:36 PM	#1
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 372	Hi David, not much to contribute but I think your call that this is Lord Ganesha is probably correct, both hands are holding something, ? the left hand a conch, no idea what is in the other hand cheers Drd

3rd May 2018, 12:08 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,017	No, this is not Ganesha, it is most probably intended as a representation of Jentayu (Jatayu).

3rd May 2018, 04:05 AM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	I have to wonder if it would actually be used within the culture it originates from. Would it not be considered as a bit over the top?

3rd May 2018, 04:38 AM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	I don't know Rick. I don't think anyone has actually determines what culture it originates from so i don't know how to answer your question. If indeed it represents a Hindu concept than could it have originated in one of the Balinese enclaves in Madura? If it is a Hindu representation it doesn't seem over the top to me at all. No one has commented on the material yet. What do you think, bone or antler?

3rd May 2018, 05:53 AM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	I'll guess bone David. At the bottom of the handle is a ring which I think covers the marrow area.

3rd May 2018, 06:15 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,017	Looks like bone to me. My guess is Madura, Sumenep work, and 1980's --- but if you say you got it previous to this David, well, just take it back to where you think reasonable. It would perhaps sit best on something East Jawa/North Coast/Madura. Yes, certainly Jentayu is Hindu, but the East Jawa/Madura carvers draw on all societies, cultures, periods for inspiration.