" Death Shroud" Pamor ??

Rick · 1st April 2006, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew

I have a comment: your photography skills are really getting quite good!

I saw this thing in person and didn't notice the details I see in your pix.

Nice job.

Thanks Andrew !

I blame it all on my little Fuji F700 .

I'm really interested to know what our resident keris / tombak collectors think about this piece .
It seems kind of special IMO .

That was a nice afternoon with those guys wasn't it .

BluErf · 1st April 2006, 04:35 PM

Oh wait a minute... Maybe this pamor is not buntel mayit. It could be lar gansir or some variations of it. Buntel mayit, as I understand it, is supposed to have the pamor going continuously round and round the axis of the blade, thus resembling the cloth used to wrap the body of the deceased. In this case, the pamor lines are interrupted and confined to the middle of the blade.

But still, it is an awesome and beautiful tombak.

Rick · 1st April 2006, 04:53 PM

Thanks for the input Kai Wee .

As I go through the pamor drawings in Tammen's #2 I see that his example drawing of lar gansir shows it with a center line and not very much diagonal to it .

A variation it could certainly be but the lack of a defining center line puzzles me .

nechesh · 1st April 2006, 06:25 PM

Hi Rick. I think i agree with Kai Wee in so much that i think this may not be Buntel Mayat. I am not sure if it is Lar Gansir, it doesn't look like other examples i've seen either. Still a nice tombak. I like the dress as well.

Rick · 1st April 2006, 08:42 PM

Wouldn't a tombak or a keris made only from pamor material be weaker and more prone to breakage than one made with the pamor laid upon a steel/iron core ?

There is a twist like pattern on this blade as the pamor follows a spiral direction from front to back as it travels to the tip .

BluErf · 2nd April 2006, 12:20 PM

Well, actually, yes. Making a keris or a tombak from pure pamor metal is a manufacturing shortcut (yes, I won't even call these keris-making, but keris manufacturing

) that we see often these days. Those blades made from damascus billets with pamor miring are extremely prone to breakage. Anyway, such blades would serve a mostly 'decorative' and 'aesthetic' function.

Rick · 3rd April 2006, 01:00 AM

Well Fellas , I have it from a very reliable source

that this is a very recent piece from Madura .
Nonetheless the pamor is interesting and the carving is nice plus I got it for low $'s so overall I'm pretty pleased .

1st April 2006, 08:42 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	A Question Wouldn't a tombak or a keris made only from pamor material be weaker and more prone to breakage than one made with the pamor laid upon a steel/iron core ? There is a twist like pattern on this blade as the pamor follows a spiral direction from front to back as it travels to the tip .

1st April 2006, 04:35 PM	#2
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Oh wait a minute... Maybe this pamor is not buntel mayit. It could be lar gansir or some variations of it. Buntel mayit, as I understand it, is supposed to have the pamor going continuously round and round the axis of the blade, thus resembling the cloth used to wrap the body of the deceased. In this case, the pamor lines are interrupted and confined to the middle of the blade. But still, it is an awesome and beautiful tombak.

1st April 2006, 04:53 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	Thanks for the input Kai Wee . As I go through the pamor drawings in Tammen's #2 I see that his example drawing of lar gansir shows it with a center line and not very much diagonal to it . A variation it could certainly be but the lack of a defining center line puzzles me .

1st April 2006, 06:25 PM	#4
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Hi Rick. I think i agree with Kai Wee in so much that i think this may not be Buntel Mayat. I am not sure if it is Lar Gansir, it doesn't look like other examples i've seen either. Still a nice tombak. I like the dress as well.

2nd April 2006, 12:20 PM	#6
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Well, actually, yes. Making a keris or a tombak from pure pamor metal is a manufacturing shortcut (yes, I won't even call these keris-making, but keris manufacturing ) that we see often these days. Those blades made from damascus billets with pamor miring are extremely prone to breakage. Anyway, such blades would serve a mostly 'decorative' and 'aesthetic' function.

3rd April 2006, 01:00 AM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	Well Fellas , I have it from a very reliable source that this is a very recent piece from Madura . Nonetheless the pamor is interesting and the carving is nice plus I got it for low $'s so overall I'm pretty pleased .