Interesting Toradar Barrel

Ian · 15th February 2018, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Roland_M

Hello Steve,

Her is the link to the "DamascusRestorationandRefinish.pdf" for you and add the link here in the thread. The results look very professional.

https://www.file-upload.net/download...inish.pdf.html

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More books are always good but I afraid, you will not learn more about restoration. What you need is a good validated guide. I hope "DamascusRestorationandRefinish" will help you, this guide has been done by pros.

Kind regards,
Roland

Roland,

Thanks for showing the link to this informative piece. I think it will find wider application than just gun barrels.

Ian.

Roland_M · 15th February 2018, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian

Roland,

Thanks for showing the link to this informative piece. I think it will find wider application than just gun barrels.

Ian.

Sorry Ian, the first file hoster is crap. I try another one, now it works.
again:

restoration guide:
https://www.datafilehost.com/d/48547375

barrel strength:
https://www.datafilehost.com/d/1b05bc93

Roland

Ian · 15th February 2018, 04:27 PM

Hi Roland,

The first link worked for me on the second try. The second link works well too.

Ian

Richard Furrer · 16th February 2018, 03:09 AM

Archer,
Just saw the thread...quite a complex bit of welding there. The difference I see in this to other "orange section" welding (the round converging part) is that the center has a coil or jelly roll.
The zigzag are good, not as "ziggy" as the one in Dr. Figiel's book, but that does not bother me.

I would not mind some macro photos of the orange sections..a few of them to compare how the pattern evolves.

Makes me want to make one.
Ric

archer · 16th February 2018, 01:04 PM

Hi Ric, Loved your documentary on armor plate. If more photos are need I'll send them directly to forge works. The top half of the orange slices had been correctly etched in the day, just abit appeared on the sides. I thought this was a metal decoupage til I saw two barrels in Dr Figiels book.
His theory about how they were made and that thicknesses would vary
breech to muzzle. They suggested this may well be a stronger breech due to the extreme number of heats. I can't wrap my head around how this I guess mostly single W pattern was made. unless they used the same technique. Things i've noticed there is an area about 1/4 in at breech end ,before pattern begins.1st strip is about 1/4in at barrel lug increases to 1/2 in or so. one slice ahead of gold cover is much bigger. The slices on the muzzle are flat and look like tattoos.

I lightened the barrel and gave it a light etch again. W's are harder to see
and in I guess some segments don't match up well and are muddy. How in the heck was the barrels pattern done? Thank you, Steve

Richard Furrer · 17th February 2018, 12:13 AM

Steve,
I have a very good idea as to technique for both the patterns, but it would be techniques I would use and may not have been theirs. I'll give it a try later this year when I have the time.
I have been wanting to make a barrel for some time and seeing this put me in the mood.

Thank you for your kind words on the Armor show. It was six months of my life.

Ric

archer · 17th February 2018, 04:32 AM

Looking forward to your Barrel. Ok, so the mandrel establishes to bore size you decide the depth and thickness of the material your going to wrap around the mandrel. So experience tells them using 1/2 inch wide material you need to stack to right then to the left to get a W or M pattern?? If they stacked on an angle can the material be fused? Did they do this Mystery technique that DR.Figiel decided must be how the Slices were made? Is It all Math or what? No secrets but just a hint. Thanks Steve

16th February 2018, 03:09 AM	#4
Richard Furrer Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin Posts: 163	Pattern weld pattern Archer, Just saw the thread...quite a complex bit of welding there. The difference I see in this to other "orange section" welding (the round converging part) is that the center has a coil or jelly roll. The zigzag are good, not as "ziggy" as the one in Dr. Figiel's book, but that does not bother me. I would not mind some macro photos of the orange sections..a few of them to compare how the pattern evolves. Makes me want to make one. Ric

16th February 2018, 01:04 PM	#5
archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	macro orange slices Hi Ric, Loved your documentary on armor plate. If more photos are need I'll send them directly to forge works. The top half of the orange slices had been correctly etched in the day, just abit appeared on the sides. I thought this was a metal decoupage til I saw two barrels in Dr Figiels book. His theory about how they were made and that thicknesses would vary breech to muzzle. They suggested this may well be a stronger breech due to the extreme number of heats. I can't wrap my head around how this I guess mostly single W pattern was made. unless they used the same technique. Things i've noticed there is an area about 1/4 in at breech end ,before pattern begins.1st strip is about 1/4in at barrel lug increases to 1/2 in or so. one slice ahead of gold cover is much bigger. The slices on the muzzle are flat and look like tattoos. I lightened the barrel and gave it a light etch again. W's are harder to see and in I guess some segments don't match up well and are muddy. How in the heck was the barrels pattern done? Thank you, Steve Attached Images

17th February 2018, 04:32 AM	#7
archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	Pattern matching Looking forward to your Barrel. Ok, so the mandrel establishes to bore size you decide the depth and thickness of the material your going to wrap around the mandrel. So experience tells them using 1/2 inch wide material you need to stack to right then to the left to get a W or M pattern?? If they stacked on an angle can the material be fused? Did they do this Mystery technique that DR.Figiel decided must be how the Slices were made? Is It all Math or what? No secrets but just a hint. Thanks Steve

15th February 2018, 04:27 PM	#3
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,397	Hi Roland, The first link worked for me on the second try. The second link works well too. Ian

17th February 2018, 12:13 AM	#6
Richard Furrer Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin Posts: 163	Steve, I have a very good idea as to technique for both the patterns, but it would be techniques I would use and may not have been theirs. I'll give it a try later this year when I have the time. I have been wanting to make a barrel for some time and seeing this put me in the mood. Thank you for your kind words on the Armor show. It was six months of my life. Ric