Interesting Toradar Barrel

Pukka Bundook · 15th February 2018, 02:02 PM

Roland,

You know more about this than I do, and cannot think I could add anything to what you describe above.
I did not know if all Indian barrels were etched, as I have a couple that are very smooth and uniform, and show no pattern either.

I should try an etch on a hidden area.
It appears I need more books! :-)

Steve,

That barrel is becoming very vibrant!

Roland_M · 15th February 2018, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pukka Bundook

Roland,

You know more about this than I do, and cannot think I could add anything to what you describe above.
I did not know if all Indian barrels were etched, as I have a couple that are very smooth and uniform, and show no pattern either.

I should try an etch on a hidden area.
It appears I need more books! :-)

Steve,

That barrel is becoming very vibrant!

Hello Steve,

Her is the link to the "DamascusRestorationandRefinish.pdf" for you and add the link here in the thread. The results look very professional.

https://www.datafilehost.com/d/48547375

And another one about Barrel strength.

https://www.datafilehost.com/d/1b05bc93

If you try an etch on a hidden area, I would suggest a salt instead of acid, because it is less destructive. A mild solution of Iron(III) chloride (I dont like it but others got very good results with it) or Sodiumpersulfate (~10 grams on 100 millilitre distilled warm water (40-50°C), barrel should be warmed up with hot water from the water-tab). This is easy to remove without traces and brings out every tiny detail of the pattern. You can ask Sajen,in case you dont trust me.

Btw. it is hard to see from pictures but British barrels or European pattern welded barrels in generell seems to have no relief etching, only a staining.

It would be really interesting, to find out the true reason why Indian pattern welded barrels are deep etched? It could also simply be just a question of fashion.

More books are always good but I afraid, you will not learn more about restoration. What you need is a good validated guide. I hope "DamascusRestorationandRefinish" will help you, this guide has been done by pros.

Kind regards,
Roland

Ian · 15th February 2018, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Roland_M

Hello Steve,

Her is the link to the "DamascusRestorationandRefinish.pdf" for you and add the link here in the thread. The results look very professional.

https://www.file-upload.net/download...inish.pdf.html

...

More books are always good but I afraid, you will not learn more about restoration. What you need is a good validated guide. I hope "DamascusRestorationandRefinish" will help you, this guide has been done by pros.

Kind regards,
Roland

Roland,

Thanks for showing the link to this informative piece. I think it will find wider application than just gun barrels.

Ian.

Roland_M · 15th February 2018, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian

Roland,

Thanks for showing the link to this informative piece. I think it will find wider application than just gun barrels.

Ian.

Sorry Ian, the first file hoster is crap. I try another one, now it works.
again:

restoration guide:
https://www.datafilehost.com/d/48547375

barrel strength:
https://www.datafilehost.com/d/1b05bc93

Roland

Ian · 15th February 2018, 04:27 PM

Hi Roland,

The first link worked for me on the second try. The second link works well too.

Ian

Richard Furrer · 16th February 2018, 03:09 AM

Archer,
Just saw the thread...quite a complex bit of welding there. The difference I see in this to other "orange section" welding (the round converging part) is that the center has a coil or jelly roll.
The zigzag are good, not as "ziggy" as the one in Dr. Figiel's book, but that does not bother me.

I would not mind some macro photos of the orange sections..a few of them to compare how the pattern evolves.

Makes me want to make one.
Ric

archer · 16th February 2018, 01:04 PM

Hi Ric, Loved your documentary on armor plate. If more photos are need I'll send them directly to forge works. The top half of the orange slices had been correctly etched in the day, just abit appeared on the sides. I thought this was a metal decoupage til I saw two barrels in Dr Figiels book.
His theory about how they were made and that thicknesses would vary
breech to muzzle. They suggested this may well be a stronger breech due to the extreme number of heats. I can't wrap my head around how this I guess mostly single W pattern was made. unless they used the same technique. Things i've noticed there is an area about 1/4 in at breech end ,before pattern begins.1st strip is about 1/4in at barrel lug increases to 1/2 in or so. one slice ahead of gold cover is much bigger. The slices on the muzzle are flat and look like tattoos.

I lightened the barrel and gave it a light etch again. W's are harder to see
and in I guess some segments don't match up well and are muddy. How in the heck was the barrels pattern done? Thank you, Steve

16th February 2018, 03:09 AM	#6
Richard Furrer Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin Posts: 163	Pattern weld pattern Archer, Just saw the thread...quite a complex bit of welding there. The difference I see in this to other "orange section" welding (the round converging part) is that the center has a coil or jelly roll. The zigzag are good, not as "ziggy" as the one in Dr. Figiel's book, but that does not bother me. I would not mind some macro photos of the orange sections..a few of them to compare how the pattern evolves. Makes me want to make one. Ric

16th February 2018, 01:04 PM	#7
archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	macro orange slices Hi Ric, Loved your documentary on armor plate. If more photos are need I'll send them directly to forge works. The top half of the orange slices had been correctly etched in the day, just abit appeared on the sides. I thought this was a metal decoupage til I saw two barrels in Dr Figiels book. His theory about how they were made and that thicknesses would vary breech to muzzle. They suggested this may well be a stronger breech due to the extreme number of heats. I can't wrap my head around how this I guess mostly single W pattern was made. unless they used the same technique. Things i've noticed there is an area about 1/4 in at breech end ,before pattern begins.1st strip is about 1/4in at barrel lug increases to 1/2 in or so. one slice ahead of gold cover is much bigger. The slices on the muzzle are flat and look like tattoos. I lightened the barrel and gave it a light etch again. W's are harder to see and in I guess some segments don't match up well and are muddy. How in the heck was the barrels pattern done? Thank you, Steve Attached Images

15th February 2018, 02:02 PM	#1
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Roland, You know more about this than I do, and cannot think I could add anything to what you describe above. I did not know if all Indian barrels were etched, as I have a couple that are very smooth and uniform, and show no pattern either. I should try an etch on a hidden area. It appears I need more books! :-) Steve, That barrel is becoming very vibrant!

15th February 2018, 04:27 PM	#5
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,397	Hi Roland, The first link worked for me on the second try. The second link works well too. Ian