Italian? Rapier

fernando · 10th December 2017, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxbat

... I belong to the school that considers the hilt the primary part of a rapier...

Could it be bacause hilts have in their 'favour' one attribute, which is the esthetical component ? However is the blade, the part that swordsmen primarily depend upon. Is it wrong to say that blade smiths names (and marks) were more in the limelight ?

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Originally Posted by Foxbat

...Victrix is, of course, correct, as we know, rapiers were assembled from components, made by more than one master...

Not only rapiers, but also

mariusgmioc · 10th December 2017, 04:22 PM

Thank you for posting more photos... but... maybe you can post better ones?!

I know how difficult it is to take good relevant photos without professional equipment, but with some good daylight light and the right angle maybe it is possible.

Regards,

Marius

Foxbat · 10th December 2017, 06:16 PM

I used to have a pretty good photo setup, but now have to rely more on the phone. I will try later, but the blade has very strong dark patina, so don't know how much better I can do it.

urbanspaceman · 10th December 2017, 09:41 PM

There doesn't appear to be bold markings present; maybe a shift in the lighting angle will show them up.

urbanspaceman · 10th December 2017, 09:47 PM

Magnificent piece by the way. Considering that six months ago I had no connection with the sword world I am rapidly becoming desirous of a variety of examples, and a rapier like yours is on the list.

Foxbat · 10th December 2017, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by urbanspaceman

Magnificent piece by the way. Considering that six months ago I had no connection with the sword world I am rapidly becoming desirous of a variety of examples, and a rapier like yours is on the list.

Thank you! I did processing similar to what you did, it made the detail somewhat more visible, thanks for the hint!

There appear to be some characters along the way, perhaps things like I, L or Y. And the termination symbol looks interesting.

Foxbat · 10th December 2017, 10:31 PM

Regarding the oval detail - the arches with "teeth" were very typical of Italian marks from the 15th all the way to the 18th centuries, but I was not able to find this particular combination.

Perhaps an eye with eyelashes around it?

10th December 2017, 09:41 PM	#4
urbanspaceman Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Tyneside. North-East England Posts: 722	blade markings There doesn't appear to be bold markings present; maybe a shift in the lighting angle will show them up. Attached Images

10th December 2017, 09:47 PM	#5
urbanspaceman Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Tyneside. North-East England Posts: 722	ps Magnificent piece by the way. Considering that six months ago I had no connection with the sword world I am rapidly becoming desirous of a variety of examples, and a rapier like yours is on the list.

10th December 2017, 04:22 PM	#2
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,912	Thank you for posting more photos... but... maybe you can post better ones?! I know how difficult it is to take good relevant photos without professional equipment, but with some good daylight light and the right angle maybe it is possible. Regards, Marius

10th December 2017, 06:16 PM	#3
Foxbat Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 69	I used to have a pretty good photo setup, but now have to rely more on the phone. I will try later, but the blade has very strong dark patina, so don't know how much better I can do it.

10th December 2017, 10:31 PM	#7
Foxbat Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 69	Regarding the oval detail - the arches with "teeth" were very typical of Italian marks from the 15th all the way to the 18th centuries, but I was not able to find this particular combination. Perhaps an eye with eyelashes around it?