Curious Moro blade

themorningstar · 22nd March 2006, 03:56 AM

it's yakan???

yakan junggayan sundang???
junggayan yakan sundang???
sundang yakan junggayan???

NEW CATERGORY!!!!!

hehehe...

Battara · 24th March 2006, 09:36 PM

I still think it is a floor wax. (SNL

)

VANDOO · 25th March 2006, 04:04 AM

IT WOULD BE A GOOD PHILIPPINE ENTRY FOR THE STEAK KNIVES OF THE WORLD CATAGORY

THE HANDLE IS NICE AND TRADITIONAL BUT THE BLADE LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING HOMEMADE BY SOMEONE OTHER THAN A PROFESHINAL SWORD OR KNIFE MAKER. OF COURSE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL THE QUALITY OF THE WORKMANSHIP OF THE BLADE FROM THE PICTURES BUT I SUSPECT IT WAS MOSTLY MADE BY STOCK REMOVAL WITH LITTLE OR NO FORGEING WW2 OR LATER. JUST A GUESS FROM THE GUT

LabanTayo · 25th March 2006, 05:58 AM

vandoo,
i havent received the barong yet, so i cant say much yet, but you can see strong lamenation lines throughout the blade in the pictures.

VANDOO · 25th March 2006, 01:52 PM

I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE BLADE, EITHER WAY IT IS A UNIQUE VARIATION OF FORM WORTHY OF ADDING TO THE MIX OF PHILIPPINO/ MORO WEAPONS IN A COLLECTION. PERHAPS MORE SIMULAR EXAMPLES MAY SHOW UP LATER AND MORE INFORMATION ON THE FORM CAN BE GATHERED. CONGRADULATIONS ON THE MYSTERY KNIFE

I WILL LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR OPINION OF IT WHEN IT IS RECEIVED.

LabanTayo · 1st April 2006, 01:38 AM

well,
i received the weird barong. i cleaned and etched it. it has a swirly pattern, definetely forged. the spine is 3/8" thick.

my uneducated conclusion:

its a yakan jungayyan sundang.

themorningstar · 1st April 2006, 02:24 AM

woohoo!!!
told ya so....

yakan junggayan sundang......

Mark · 3rd April 2006, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

I still think it is a floor wax. (SNL

)

::snort!!::

BSMStar · 5th April 2006, 07:12 PM

I do not speak the language, but... yakan junggayan sundang must mean, “old Moro head whacker.” It's a beast indeed!

I do not know about it being a floor wax, more like a floor wax remover.. but you got to crack that sucker just right or you'll lose more floor than wax.

Ian · 15th April 2006, 08:48 PM

The blade below has the same curious "neck" at the ricasso as the original subject of this post. The pictures attached here are an example from the island of Sumbawa in the Indoensian archipelago -- Sumbawa lies between Lombok and Flores, just to the north of Sumba.

This is a heavy large knife/short sword that has seen some use. Primarily a chopper that could serve as a general purpose tool and a defensive arm. The blade is laminated and has a prominent hardened edge that appears to have been heat treated. Nicely made blade with a razor-shape edge. I've included a couple of pictures to show the blade and its temper line.

OAL = 20 1/4 in.
Blade = 14 3/4 in.
Hilt = 6 in.
Blade thickness just in front of hilt = 9/32 in.
Blade thickness at maximum width = 1/8 in.
Maximum width of blade = 1 5/8 in.

It seems that the original subject of this post is related to the style shown here, and is perhaps a blade from Sumbawa that was remounted in Moroland. As such, it is probably not a true Moro weapon, but an interesting hybrid.

Ian.

VVV · 15th April 2006, 11:09 PM

Ian,

I am a bit sceptical to that the featured neck is a sign of Sumbawa?
I have 3 different variations of Parang Sumbawa and none of them have that neck.
In van Z p. 135 you can see two examples of a more regular kind of Parang Sumbawa blade that also resembles the blades of mine.

Michael

PS But your Parang definetely looks like Sumbawa with that hilt and scabbard. It's just the neck on your Parang that's unusual IMHO.

Ian · 17th April 2006, 04:10 AM

Michael:

I agree. The Sumbawa examples in van Zonnefeld's book do have different blades. But scanning his book, I cannot find an example of a similar blade attributed elsewhere, yet I have seen several of these same blade styles attributed to "Indonesia" over the years that I've collected blades from SE Asia. Never traced down a more precise geographic origin until this one.

The "Sumbawa" attribution came from the seller who seems to know a bit about SE Asia. As you say, the hilt and scabbard resemble Sumbawa work, but the blade could have been made elsewhere in Indonesia -- perhaps Sumba or even Lombok. The quality of forging of the blade is very good, but the finish is rough and shows grind marks. Above average "village" quality, I would say, so not likely to have come far from Sumbawa.

Ian.

15th April 2006, 08:48 PM	#10
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,397	Indonesian blade -- probably from Sumbawa The blade below has the same curious "neck" at the ricasso as the original subject of this post. The pictures attached here are an example from the island of Sumbawa in the Indoensian archipelago -- Sumbawa lies between Lombok and Flores, just to the north of Sumba. This is a heavy large knife/short sword that has seen some use. Primarily a chopper that could serve as a general purpose tool and a defensive arm. The blade is laminated and has a prominent hardened edge that appears to have been heat treated. Nicely made blade with a razor-shape edge. I've included a couple of pictures to show the blade and its temper line. OAL = 20 1/4 in. Blade = 14 3/4 in. Hilt = 6 in. Blade thickness just in front of hilt = 9/32 in. Blade thickness at maximum width = 1/8 in. Maximum width of blade = 1 5/8 in. It seems that the original subject of this post is related to the style shown here, and is perhaps a blade from Sumbawa that was remounted in Moroland. As such, it is probably not a true Moro weapon, but an interesting hybrid. Ian. Attached Images

22nd March 2006, 03:56 AM	#1
themorningstar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 55	it's yakan??? yakan junggayan sundang??? junggayan yakan sundang??? sundang yakan junggayan??? NEW CATERGORY!!!!! hehehe...

24th March 2006, 09:36 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	I still think it is a floor wax. (SNL )

25th March 2006, 04:04 AM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	IT WOULD BE A GOOD PHILIPPINE ENTRY FOR THE STEAK KNIVES OF THE WORLD CATAGORY THE HANDLE IS NICE AND TRADITIONAL BUT THE BLADE LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING HOMEMADE BY SOMEONE OTHER THAN A PROFESHINAL SWORD OR KNIFE MAKER. OF COURSE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL THE QUALITY OF THE WORKMANSHIP OF THE BLADE FROM THE PICTURES BUT I SUSPECT IT WAS MOSTLY MADE BY STOCK REMOVAL WITH LITTLE OR NO FORGEING WW2 OR LATER. JUST A GUESS FROM THE GUT

25th March 2006, 05:58 AM	#4
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	vandoo, i havent received the barong yet, so i cant say much yet, but you can see strong lamenation lines throughout the blade in the pictures.

25th March 2006, 01:52 PM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE BLADE, EITHER WAY IT IS A UNIQUE VARIATION OF FORM WORTHY OF ADDING TO THE MIX OF PHILIPPINO/ MORO WEAPONS IN A COLLECTION. PERHAPS MORE SIMULAR EXAMPLES MAY SHOW UP LATER AND MORE INFORMATION ON THE FORM CAN BE GATHERED. CONGRADULATIONS ON THE MYSTERY KNIFE I WILL LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR OPINION OF IT WHEN IT IS RECEIVED.

1st April 2006, 01:38 AM	#6
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	well, i received the weird barong. i cleaned and etched it. it has a swirly pattern, definetely forged. the spine is 3/8" thick. my uneducated conclusion: its a yakan jungayyan sundang.

1st April 2006, 02:24 AM	#7
themorningstar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 55	woohoo!!! told ya so.... yakan junggayan sundang......

5th April 2006, 07:12 PM	#9
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	I do not speak the language, but... yakan junggayan sundang must mean, “old Moro head whacker.” It's a beast indeed! I do not know about it being a floor wax, more like a floor wax remover.. but you got to crack that sucker just right or you'll lose more floor than wax.

15th April 2006, 11:09 PM	#11
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Ian, I am a bit sceptical to that the featured neck is a sign of Sumbawa? I have 3 different variations of Parang Sumbawa and none of them have that neck. In van Z p. 135 you can see two examples of a more regular kind of Parang Sumbawa blade that also resembles the blades of mine. Michael PS But your Parang definetely looks like Sumbawa with that hilt and scabbard. It's just the neck on your Parang that's unusual IMHO.

17th April 2006, 04:10 AM	#12
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,397	Michael: I agree. The Sumbawa examples in van Zonnefeld's book do have different blades. But scanning his book, I cannot find an example of a similar blade attributed elsewhere, yet I have seen several of these same blade styles attributed to "Indonesia" over the years that I've collected blades from SE Asia. Never traced down a more precise geographic origin until this one. The "Sumbawa" attribution came from the seller who seems to know a bit about SE Asia. As you say, the hilt and scabbard resemble Sumbawa work, but the blade could have been made elsewhere in Indonesia -- perhaps Sumba or even Lombok. The quality of forging of the blade is very good, but the finish is rough and shows grind marks. Above average "village" quality, I would say, so not likely to have come far from Sumbawa. Ian.