Kampilan

[Battara]

I LOVE THE DOUBLE TWIST CORE!!!!

I agree that the blade is upside down, and as Kai said it is easily fixed.

This is also from the Ilanun/Iranun tribe, perhaps mid 1800s?

I'm so happy for you (grumble, grumble, envy, envy... )....

[kai]

Hello Jose,

This is also from the Ilanun/Iranun tribe, perhaps mid 1800s?

I'm leaning towards a later date: At least the hilt does not appear to be an especially old example...
Also the twistcore surface appears to be almost pristine (compared to kalis with twistcore, that is). True enough, these status kampilan may have been more for show than action and seen less wear; however, the same could be argued for status kalis/kris... Also, twistcore in other Moro blades may have been kept smoother than in kalis/kris (and possibly spears); OTOH, there are so few examples around that, for the time being, I would not base any age estimate on it.

I'd also stipulate that we should have a very close look at the blade before assigning it to a specific ethnic origin (even if you base this on the hilt only). BTW, my apologies for not continuing our earlier discussion whether this hilt type really is specifically Ilanum vs. generic old-style - will try to follow up on this interesting topic when I find some more time.

Regards,
Kai

[Royston]

Thanks Gents

I think it could have had two iron guards as the holes go all the way through the wooden cross guards - or is this normal ?
I do have two more, much plainer examples. One of them has holes all the way through and the other does not.

As regards cleaning, I was not asking how but rather "should it " be cleaned as the patina is, in my opinion quite attractive.

Cheers
Roy

[Royston]

OK

I have answered my own question about the holes. I have just found a picture showing how the iron is attached.

Regards
Roy

[kai]

Hello Roy,

As regards cleaning, I was not asking how but rather "should it " be cleaned as the patina is, in my opinion quite attractive.

I'm not sure what you refer to as patina in this case.

From the pics, there is the obviously etched twistcore which certainly is attractive! This certainly should stay visible and stable for long-term storage; arguably, how much contrast would be suitable and culturally appropriate in a Moro setting is not fully established yet. This is certainly something which would need to be discussed while working on the blade since the results of different treatments can't be fully planned beforehand.

Possibly over the etching, there are patches of older rust incrustations which might compromise long-term storage/preservation; these should be completely removed IMHO.

Finally, there seems to be a fairly even layer of active rust all over the surface - flash tends to emphasise this while the naked eye (and automatic color correction in our brains) often glosses over it. As said above, this is a fairly common result of etching with ferric chloride: Even if you thoroughly neutralise after etching, you still have to make sure to wash off all chloride ions or they will continue to bite into the iron... (Chloride ions are the main reason for table salt or seawater being corrosive!)

Thus, I'd suggest that this blades needs and deserves a thorough cleaning. However, you have it in your hands and can have a much closer look than just basing your decision on a few pics alone.

Regards,
Kai

[kronckew]

some did have staples on both sides. i gather it's not the norm tho.

[Battara]

Regarding the staples/guards:

1. Most kampilans had the staples only on one side, the side where the back of the hand held the grip.

2. Most staples were made of iron, though some were also made of bronze/brass.


Regarding the hilt:

1. I have seen documentation attributing this type of hilt with the Iranun/Ilanum peoples.

2. Kai you might be right on a possibly slightly later date for the hilt.


Regarding the blade:

1. I do agree that the blade needs to have the active red rust removed and then re-etched.

2. I also think the blade fits into the mid-to slightly later 19th century quality.