Jimpul ex.collection W.O. Oldman

ronpakis · 21st March 2006, 07:32 PM

i would like to add to this wonderfull discussion with very nice pictures that lots of weaponry and statues etc were made for collectors in the 19th century and of course other times. of course this mostly cannot be proven because many collectors have no provenance added. It just says: collected in nias in 1910 by.... this say only were and in what year the piece has been collectedand by whom.
For example: items were made for the great exhibitions in the early 20th century in paris etc and afterwards they dissapeared in museum collections.
Also items that were perhaps 10 years old or less were taken to lets say dutch musea to put in the collection. But since it happenend in lets say 1860 we call it antique but you can have questions if it realy ever was used in the way it is intended.

greetings Ron.

nechesh · 21st March 2006, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ronpakis

Also items that were perhaps 10 years old or less were taken to lets say dutch musea to put in the collection. But since it happenend in lets say 1860 we call it antique but you can have questions if it realy ever was used in the way it is intended.

Hi Ron. Certainly an item that was collected in 1860 really is an antique now regardless of how old it was when it was collected. It's not just what we call it. If it's 146 yrs. old it's an antique, period. I also would not discount a dayak headsman sword as not being authentic just because it was collected before it had the opportunity to take any heads.

If it was made by the Dayak at the time with all the skills and qualities that go into a blade that saw some real use, but was collected or gifted before being used it's still the real thing in my book. Just a mite bit cleaner.

Dajak · 22nd March 2006, 09:23 AM

Hi nekesh the blade is used off this mandau no doubt about that .

mmontoro · 22nd March 2006, 12:55 PM

Dajak,

What is the significance of the fresh tattoos on the hands of the Iban at the festival?

Thanks,

Manny

Dajak · 22nd March 2006, 08:32 PM

Hi the fresh tattoo s on the hand means that there been taking heads otherwise not allowed to put the tattoo s on the hand.

Henk · 23rd March 2006, 09:11 PM

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21st March 2006, 07:32 PM	#1
ronpakis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 75	why items sometimes look new i would like to add to this wonderfull discussion with very nice pictures that lots of weaponry and statues etc were made for collectors in the 19th century and of course other times. of course this mostly cannot be proven because many collectors have no provenance added. It just says: collected in nias in 1910 by.... this say only were and in what year the piece has been collectedand by whom. For example: items were made for the great exhibitions in the early 20th century in paris etc and afterwards they dissapeared in museum collections. Also items that were perhaps 10 years old or less were taken to lets say dutch musea to put in the collection. But since it happenend in lets say 1860 we call it antique but you can have questions if it realy ever was used in the way it is intended. greetings Ron.

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mmontoro Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 91	tattoos on the hands Dajak, What is the significance of the fresh tattoos on the hands of the Iban at the festival? Thanks, Manny

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Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi nekesh the blade is used off this mandau no doubt about that .

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Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi the fresh tattoo s on the hand means that there been taking heads otherwise not allowed to put the tattoo s on the hand.

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