Jimpul ex.collection W.O. Oldman

Henk · 19th March 2006, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dajak

Hi no this is wrong the 3 picture is important for if it is a Jimpul or not.

Albert Zonneveld made a big mistake putting a certan mandua between the jimpuls.

On the Old Iban mandau you can find cowry shells

I will post another one from the Coppens collection that have the same

I think I count in another way, Dajak. The protrusion of the second jimpul on the picture is important. It is a kind of guard before the sharp part of the blade begins.
Very nice examples, by the way.

Dajak · 19th March 2006, 05:37 PM

Hi Henk take my word I am just collecting these items only more than 30 years it is the way like I am telling.

The guard use is only by the parang Niabor and some old langai tingai.

Dajak · 19th March 2006, 06:12 PM

HI Flavio

Difficult to say just look at the quality of the blade scabbard handle

and don t forget that high quality mandau s can do these days more than 5 or 6000.00 euro's these pieces you see never on ebay

VVV · 19th March 2006, 06:17 PM

In a way you are both correct (according to Shelford's definition).
Dajak's comment on the Jimpul not ending in a point is found on all Jimpul.
And Henk's comment on the finger-guard protrusion is usually found on a Jimpul.
But it's not a "must be there" like Dajak's "non-point".

Michael

VVV · 19th March 2006, 06:36 PM

And here is another ex-Coppen's, the one on page 73 far right.

Michael

Dajak · 19th March 2006, 09:09 PM

Look at the finger guard how can this hold your finger .

by the way an exxelent Jimpul This one was in my friend Richards collection.

look at these pics none off them is a Jimpul so the crowit makes not that it is a jimpul.

The parang Ilang is pictured in the book Quer Durch Borneo 1894 page 150
but has a crowit to Henk schould this be a Jimpul.

The other one Is a langgai Tingai but according to Henk it is a Jimpul.

So this explains why I am saying the crowit makes it not a Jimpul.

And by the pics you can see I am right

A Jimpul has a crowit and the the strange end it needs both to be a jimpul .

19th March 2006, 06:17 PM	#4
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	In a way you are both correct (according to Shelford's definition). Dajak's comment on the Jimpul not ending in a point is found on all Jimpul. And Henk's comment on the finger-guard protrusion is usually found on a Jimpul. But it's not a "must be there" like Dajak's "non-point". Michael Last edited by VVV; 19th March 2006 at 06:38 PM.

19th March 2006, 06:36 PM	#5
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	And here is another ex-Coppen's, the one on page 73 far right. Michael Attached Images

19th March 2006, 09:09 PM	#6
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Look at the finger guard how can this hold your finger . by the way an exxelent Jimpul This one was in my friend Richards collection. look at these pics none off them is a Jimpul so the crowit makes not that it is a jimpul. The parang Ilang is pictured in the book Quer Durch Borneo 1894 page 150 but has a crowit to Henk schould this be a Jimpul. The other one Is a langgai Tingai but according to Henk it is a Jimpul. So this explains why I am saying the crowit makes it not a Jimpul. And by the pics you can see I am right A Jimpul has a crowit and the the strange end it needs both to be a jimpul . Attached Images

19th March 2006, 05:37 PM	#2
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Henk take my word I am just collecting these items only more than 30 years it is the way like I am telling. The guard use is only by the parang Niabor and some old langai tingai.

19th March 2006, 06:12 PM	#3
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	HI Flavio Difficult to say just look at the quality of the blade scabbard handle and don t forget that high quality mandau s can do these days more than 5 or 6000.00 euro's these pieces you see never on ebay