Jimpul ex.collection W.O. Oldman

VANDOO · 18th March 2006, 05:44 PM

A BEAUTIFUL JIMPUL

, DOES IT HAVE COWRY SHELLS IMBEDDED IN THE BEES WAX FERULE? THAT IS SOMETHING I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING BEFORE ON DAYAK ITEMS. IN A OLD POST I ASKED ABOUT A DAYAK SWORD I HAVE AND IT HAD A SHARP POINTED CURVED BLADE, WE CAME UP WITH THE NAME JIMPUL FOR IT. I HAD THOUGHT THE NAME REFERRED TO THE SHARP POINT BUT AS I NOW SEE MANY WITH THE MORE BLUNT TIP REFERED TO AS JIMPUL INSTEAD OF MANDAU I AM NOT SURE AS TO WHAT SETS THEM APART. IS IT THE CURVED BLADE FORM THAT MAKES IT A JIMPUL AND NOT A MANDAU AND IF THE BLADE IS SHARP POINTED BUT NOT CURVED IS IT A MANDAU AND NOT A JIMPUL?

Henk · 19th March 2006, 08:22 AM

Vandoo,

The curved blade is caracteristic for a jimpul, but the most important thing to recognize a jimpul is the protusion on the blade near the hilt. The curl on picture 4.

Dajak · 19th March 2006, 10:48 AM

Hi no this is wrong the 3 picture is important for if it is a Jimpul or not.

Albert Zonneveld made a big mistake putting a certan mandua between the jimpuls.

On the Old Iban mandau you can find cowry shells

I will post another one from the Coppens collection that have the same

Dajak · 19th March 2006, 10:58 AM

This is an headmans Jimpul

Alam Shah · 19th March 2006, 12:53 PM

Dajak,

Another unique and interesting exquisite piece. The inlays looks like it's made from a few different materials.

Flavio · 19th March 2006, 01:21 PM

Hello Dayak, what a beautiful toys you have!!!

I have a question: i see in the last times a lot of mandau swords on ebay, that at my profane eyes, seem all modern or tourist items, but every times at the end of the auctions the price are very high. So can you give me guys, some ideas of what is good and what is a very true fake

. Thank you

nechesh · 21st March 2006, 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flavio

Hello Dayak, what a beautiful toys you have!!!

I have a question: i see in the last times a lot of mandau swords on ebay, that at my profane eyes, seem all modern or tourist items, but every times at the end of the auctions the price are very high. So can you give me guys, some ideas of what is good and what is a very true fake

. Thank you

I'm not sure exactly what obvious tourist pieces you have seen go for high prices on ebay. I have noticed a few lately that didn't seem to get any bids. But i wouldn't necessarily confuse modern with tourist. I have also noticed some of these newer mandaus. Keep in mind that certain tribes in the inland areas were still taking heads as later as the 1970s, so a relatively modern blade could still be considered authentic (not that it would have to have taken a head to be so

) . I would imagine that the quality level on authentic pieces would be the tell-tale. I recently posted a mandau that is probably pre-WWII, but no doubt solidly a 20thC piece. It doesn't have the nice age and patina of the pieces Dayak has posted, but it is none the less authentic.

Asian Collector · 19th April 2006, 09:12 PM

Hello Group:

Have seen in recent times more than several very good quality mandau handles on the sword that have a very old looking smoked patina. Some, of course show up on ebay in the past have this, but they appear to be fake overall. What confuses me is that some really appear to have a smokey patina and are very good quality and old. Is this because they are smoked originally, left in a longhouse and pick it up there and have never been cleaned or what? It seems that most nice dayak mandau have been rubbed or kept clean on the handle. If the rest of the sword is not smoked patina and the handle is; isn't this a little suspicious also?
Appreciate your comments,
Asian Collector

Henk · 19th March 2006, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

Hi no this is wrong the 3 picture is important for if it is a Jimpul or not.

Albert Zonneveld made a big mistake putting a certan mandua between the jimpuls.

On the Old Iban mandau you can find cowry shells

I will post another one from the Coppens collection that have the same

I think I count in another way, Dajak. The protrusion of the second jimpul on the picture is important. It is a kind of guard before the sharp part of the blade begins.
Very nice examples, by the way.

Dajak · 19th March 2006, 05:37 PM

Hi Henk take my word I am just collecting these items only more than 30 years it is the way like I am telling.

The guard use is only by the parang Niabor and some old langai tingai.

Dajak · 19th March 2006, 06:12 PM

HI Flavio

Difficult to say just look at the quality of the blade scabbard handle

and don t forget that high quality mandau s can do these days more than 5 or 6000.00 euro's these pieces you see never on ebay

VVV · 19th March 2006, 06:17 PM

In a way you are both correct (according to Shelford's definition).
Dajak's comment on the Jimpul not ending in a point is found on all Jimpul.
And Henk's comment on the finger-guard protrusion is usually found on a Jimpul.
But it's not a "must be there" like Dajak's "non-point".

Michael

VVV · 19th March 2006, 06:36 PM

And here is another ex-Coppen's, the one on page 73 far right.

Michael

19th March 2006, 10:58 AM	#4
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	This is an headmans Jimpul Attached Images

19th April 2006, 09:12 PM	#8
Asian Collector Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1	Mandau handle with smoke patina Hello Group: Have seen in recent times more than several very good quality mandau handles on the sword that have a very old looking smoked patina. Some, of course show up on ebay in the past have this, but they appear to be fake overall. What confuses me is that some really appear to have a smokey patina and are very good quality and old. Is this because they are smoked originally, left in a longhouse and pick it up there and have never been cleaned or what? It seems that most nice dayak mandau have been rubbed or kept clean on the handle. If the rest of the sword is not smoked patina and the handle is; isn't this a little suspicious also? Appreciate your comments, Asian Collector

19th March 2006, 06:17 PM	#12
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	In a way you are both correct (according to Shelford's definition). Dajak's comment on the Jimpul not ending in a point is found on all Jimpul. And Henk's comment on the finger-guard protrusion is usually found on a Jimpul. But it's not a "must be there" like Dajak's "non-point". Michael Last edited by VVV; 19th March 2006 at 06:38 PM.

19th March 2006, 06:36 PM	#13
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	And here is another ex-Coppen's, the one on page 73 far right. Michael Attached Images

18th March 2006, 05:44 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A BEAUTIFUL JIMPUL , DOES IT HAVE COWRY SHELLS IMBEDDED IN THE BEES WAX FERULE? THAT IS SOMETHING I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING BEFORE ON DAYAK ITEMS. IN A OLD POST I ASKED ABOUT A DAYAK SWORD I HAVE AND IT HAD A SHARP POINTED CURVED BLADE, WE CAME UP WITH THE NAME JIMPUL FOR IT. I HAD THOUGHT THE NAME REFERRED TO THE SHARP POINT BUT AS I NOW SEE MANY WITH THE MORE BLUNT TIP REFERED TO AS JIMPUL INSTEAD OF MANDAU I AM NOT SURE AS TO WHAT SETS THEM APART. IS IT THE CURVED BLADE FORM THAT MAKES IT A JIMPUL AND NOT A MANDAU AND IF THE BLADE IS SHARP POINTED BUT NOT CURVED IS IT A MANDAU AND NOT A JIMPUL?

19th March 2006, 08:22 AM	#2
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Vandoo, The curved blade is caracteristic for a jimpul, but the most important thing to recognize a jimpul is the protusion on the blade near the hilt. The curl on picture 4.

19th March 2006, 10:48 AM	#3
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi no this is wrong the 3 picture is important for if it is a Jimpul or not. Albert Zonneveld made a big mistake putting a certan mandua between the jimpuls. On the Old Iban mandau you can find cowry shells I will post another one from the Coppens collection that have the same

19th March 2006, 12:53 PM	#5
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Dajak, Another unique and interesting exquisite piece. The inlays looks like it's made from a few different materials.

19th March 2006, 01:21 PM	#6
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Hello Dayak, what a beautiful toys you have!!! I have a question: i see in the last times a lot of mandau swords on ebay, that at my profane eyes, seem all modern or tourist items, but every times at the end of the auctions the price are very high. So can you give me guys, some ideas of what is good and what is a very true fake . Thank you

19th March 2006, 05:37 PM	#10
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Henk take my word I am just collecting these items only more than 30 years it is the way like I am telling. The guard use is only by the parang Niabor and some old langai tingai.

19th March 2006, 06:12 PM	#11
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	HI Flavio Difficult to say just look at the quality of the blade scabbard handle and don t forget that high quality mandau s can do these days more than 5 or 6000.00 euro's these pieces you see never on ebay