Child Keris

Johan van Zyl · 1st October 2017, 12:30 PM

Without a doubt the kukri and the keris are not equals, and nobody has suggested that. But consensus seems to have it that a keris, like a kukri, is also a weapon, besides being much more than that. The kukri is an excellent tool, as you know, as well as a weapon that has seen concerted wartime as well as "private" use. So what I have gleaned from much reading and discussing is that the olden-day Nepalese had at least some of the religious esteem and reverence of the kukri when using it, as had the Javanese and other groups for the keris. At least you must admit there are some similar points of comparison between the two....?

I fully respect and acknowledge your stand on the keris, and so what I am merely trying to say is that collectors of other traditional icons have through their research efforts uncovered/developed similar masses of knowledge pertaining to those items.

So without arguing with you, I still state my point of view.

A. G. Maisey · 1st October 2017, 09:34 PM

Johan, you will get no arguments from me when it comes to the keris.

You may, or may not get discussion, but not argument.

In this particular case I prefer not to get into discussion in respect of the characteristics of khukris when compared to keris, for the very simple reason that I have very minimal knowledge of the cultural base of the khukri.

Johan van Zyl · 3rd October 2017, 03:05 PM

I'm dead sure that if ever you and I could sit and talk around a coffee table, you would be able to offer me valuable insights also of the kukri. I think your extended experience in areas outside the keris would allow that.

I have found my searches for information on the kukri to be more problematic that my searches on Keris Warung Kopi! Hats off to you and so many dedicated keris collectors on this forum!

Thankfully
Johan

David · 3rd October 2017, 04:13 PM

Fair enough Johan, but this is the Keris forum so any discussion or insights into the kukri are a bit out of place here.

Johan van Zyl · 4th October 2017, 08:04 AM

And right you are in what you say, David. You will realize, however, that in the discussion between myself, Alan and interested members, when the expression "...similar points of comparison between the two..." was used, we were not inviting one another to actually raise those points, or to offer one another insights, but I was talking of my difficulty in researching the kukri as part of a compliment to Alan and other participants who have helped to raise this keris forum to what it is.

I apologize. I should have expressed myself more clearly.

My wife says I'm too long-winded for clarity!

Johan

1st October 2017, 12:30 PM	#1
Johan van Zyl Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: I live in Gordon's Bay, a village in the Western Cape Province in South Africa. Posts: 126	Without a doubt the kukri and the keris are not equals, and nobody has suggested that. But consensus seems to have it that a keris, like a kukri, is also a weapon, besides being much more than that. The kukri is an excellent tool, as you know, as well as a weapon that has seen concerted wartime as well as "private" use. So what I have gleaned from much reading and discussing is that the olden-day Nepalese had at least some of the religious esteem and reverence of the kukri when using it, as had the Javanese and other groups for the keris. At least you must admit there are some similar points of comparison between the two....? I fully respect and acknowledge your stand on the keris, and so what I am merely trying to say is that collectors of other traditional icons have through their research efforts uncovered/developed similar masses of knowledge pertaining to those items. So without arguing with you, I still state my point of view.

1st October 2017, 09:34 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Johan, you will get no arguments from me when it comes to the keris. You may, or may not get discussion, but not argument. In this particular case I prefer not to get into discussion in respect of the characteristics of khukris when compared to keris, for the very simple reason that I have very minimal knowledge of the cultural base of the khukri.

3rd October 2017, 03:05 PM	#3
Johan van Zyl Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: I live in Gordon's Bay, a village in the Western Cape Province in South Africa. Posts: 126	I'm dead sure that if ever you and I could sit and talk around a coffee table, you would be able to offer me valuable insights also of the kukri. I think your extended experience in areas outside the keris would allow that. I have found my searches for information on the kukri to be more problematic that my searches on Keris Warung Kopi! Hats off to you and so many dedicated keris collectors on this forum! Thankfully Johan

3rd October 2017, 04:13 PM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	Fair enough Johan, but this is the Keris forum so any discussion or insights into the kukri are a bit out of place here.

4th October 2017, 08:04 AM	#5
Johan van Zyl Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: I live in Gordon's Bay, a village in the Western Cape Province in South Africa. Posts: 126	And right you are in what you say, David. You will realize, however, that in the discussion between myself, Alan and interested members, when the expression "...similar points of comparison between the two..." was used, we were not inviting one another to actually raise those points, or to offer one another insights, but I was talking of my difficulty in researching the kukri as part of a compliment to Alan and other participants who have helped to raise this keris forum to what it is. I apologize. I should have expressed myself more clearly. My wife says I'm too long-winded for clarity! Johan