Kerambit Minang

Sajen · 18th August 2017, 02:44 PM

Hi Mate,

you know that I was skeptical when you have shown me this kerambit the first time, it has a very well made blade and a very well carved dress but I am still skeptical and I am afraid that it is just to fancy for the real deal, compare it with the from Marius here posted rentcong: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=aceh
Do you see the the similarity in the motives of the carving and material? I am curious what others think about this piece.

Best regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 18th August 2017, 02:53 PM

Here for reference two examples which are sold recently by ebay, both examples are good antique pieces IMVHO.

kai · 19th August 2017, 10:54 PM

Hello Detlef,

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Here for reference two examples which are sold recently by ebay, both examples are good antique pieces IMVHO.

The first one looks like a legit antique example, indeed.

The second seems to have a strong blade; I'm positive that it is a later example though and very likely a non-traditional piece...

Really old kerambit/korambi/lawi ayam/etc. are very rare!

Regards,
Kai

Sajen · 19th August 2017, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kai

Really old kerambit/korambi/lawi ayam/etc. are very rare!

Hello Kai, yes I know and they get sold by very high prices. I look already very long for an example or two which I can add to my collection!

Regards,
Detlef

kai · 21st August 2017, 09:19 PM

Hello Detlef,

Quote:

I know and they get sold by very high prices. I look already very long for an example or two which I can add to my collection!

Yes, indeed! That remark wasn't directed at you but supposed to lessen Roland's pain a bit.

Regards,
Kai

Tatyana Dianova · 6th September 2017, 08:12 AM

There is an opinion that Lawi Ayam are women knifes for self-defence - and of course I have one in my collection :-)
It is a small dagger which measurs only 11 cm from the blade tip to the top of the handle in a direct line! It has silver fittings on the wood or horn scabbard, fancy carved horn handle in a form of a bird and the laminated blade. It looks like it has some age.

Sajen · 6th September 2017, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tatyana Dianova

There is an opinion that Lawi Ayam are women knifes for self-defence - and of course I have one in my collection :-)
It is a small dagger which measurs only 11 cm from the blade tip to the top of the handle in a direct line! It has silver fittings on the wood or horn scabbard, fancy carved horn handle in a form of a bird and the laminated blade. It looks like it has some age.

Hello Tatyana,

very nice piece!

Regards,
Detlef

Helleri · 19th August 2017, 11:53 PM

As usual I don't know much about the blade in question itself. I've only observations and what those observations might suggest to offer:

1) The scabbard is ornately decorated on both sides.

While there are plenty of exceptions. As a general rule scabbards tend to be only decorated (or have the major focus for detail in decoration) on one side. The side that faces out towards the observer. This is simply practical. Most people are right handed and would be expected to wear the scabbard on one side consistently. And whichever side they wear it on, the side that is against their body will see wear over time if the blade is worn frequently.

That makes me think that this is a less practical weapon. That isn't to say it is purely decorative or non-functional. It's just to say that I don't think this is something that was intended to be worn as an everyday weapon. Maybe it's intended for wearing on special occasions. Like getting out the good china or putting on your nice shoes.

The fact that the rest of the blade is also very nice looking (above and beyond what others have noted as being common) would further that idea I think.

2) The bordered diamond on one side of the scabbard does not fit with the rest of the style. It's also interesting that there isn't a diamond shape on the other side.

This makes me think that the diamond is intended to be an inscription plate. That it is blank may only suggest that the maker did not know who would end up buying it. Or that the purchaser did not know it was intended for that due to a lack of communication between the maker and the buyer.

This makes me think that it may have been made for export. Not necessarily a tourist piece given the quality of materials and construction. But likely not made by the person who owned it or with any particular individual in mind when it was crafted.

As for it being blank. A lot of inscription plates end up never being engraved for one reason or another.

3) The deign aspect are very European.
We see acorn and acanthus leaf motifs. A boot or hoof shaped end. A wide and long central fuller (as apposed to a near the spine groove or a central ridge) with a very nice false edge that has a nice clean scoop on the back.

It may not have been made in Europe. But in conjunction with everything else it does seem like it was made to appeal to a European market.

Roland_M · 18th August 2017, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Do you see the the similarity in the motives of the carving and material? I am curious what others think about this piece.

Best regards,
Detlef

Hi Detlef,

Sorry no, I can see no equality . My scabbard and hilt are made from deer antler, the rencong is bone or whale-bone. The decorations are executed in a pretty different style.

Best wishes,
Roland

Sajen · 18th August 2017, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Roland_M

My scabbard and hilt are made from deer antler, the rencong is bone or whale-bone. The decorations are executed in a pretty different style

The rentcong isn't from whale bone, could be bone or antler also. Difficult to distinguish from pictures only.

Regards,
Detlef

18th August 2017, 02:44 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,214	Hi Mate, you know that I was skeptical when you have shown me this kerambit the first time, it has a very well made blade and a very well carved dress but I am still skeptical and I am afraid that it is just to fancy for the real deal, compare it with the from Marius here posted rentcong: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=aceh Do you see the the similarity in the motives of the carving and material? I am curious what others think about this piece. Best regards, Detlef Attached Images

18th August 2017, 02:53 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,214	Here for reference two examples which are sold recently by ebay, both examples are good antique pieces IMVHO. Attached Images

6th September 2017, 08:12 AM	#6
Tatyana Dianova Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 737	There is an opinion that Lawi Ayam are women knifes for self-defence - and of course I have one in my collection :-) It is a small dagger which measurs only 11 cm from the blade tip to the top of the handle in a direct line! It has silver fittings on the wood or horn scabbard, fancy carved horn handle in a form of a bird and the laminated blade. It looks like it has some age. Attached Images

19th August 2017, 11:53 PM	#8
Helleri Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Chino, CA. Posts: 219	As usual I don't know much about the blade in question itself. I've only observations and what those observations might suggest to offer: 1) The scabbard is ornately decorated on both sides. While there are plenty of exceptions. As a general rule scabbards tend to be only decorated (or have the major focus for detail in decoration) on one side. The side that faces out towards the observer. This is simply practical. Most people are right handed and would be expected to wear the scabbard on one side consistently. And whichever side they wear it on, the side that is against their body will see wear over time if the blade is worn frequently. That makes me think that this is a less practical weapon. That isn't to say it is purely decorative or non-functional. It's just to say that I don't think this is something that was intended to be worn as an everyday weapon. Maybe it's intended for wearing on special occasions. Like getting out the good china or putting on your nice shoes. The fact that the rest of the blade is also very nice looking (above and beyond what others have noted as being common) would further that idea I think. 2) The bordered diamond on one side of the scabbard does not fit with the rest of the style. It's also interesting that there isn't a diamond shape on the other side. This makes me think that the diamond is intended to be an inscription plate. That it is blank may only suggest that the maker did not know who would end up buying it. Or that the purchaser did not know it was intended for that due to a lack of communication between the maker and the buyer. This makes me think that it may have been made for export. Not necessarily a tourist piece given the quality of materials and construction. But likely not made by the person who owned it or with any particular individual in mind when it was crafted. As for it being blank. A lot of inscription plates end up never being engraved for one reason or another. 3) The deign aspect are very European. We see acorn and acanthus leaf motifs. A boot or hoof shaped end. A wide and long central fuller (as apposed to a near the spine groove or a central ridge) with a very nice false edge that has a nice clean scoop on the back. It may not have been made in Europe. But in conjunction with everything else it does seem like it was made to appeal to a European market.