Swords a la Portuguese

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by fernando

Ibrahiim, you are bringing back a post submitted by Marc ten years ago. Perhaps his answer will take some time come in. It has been now about four years that he doesn't visit us. Last time i contacted him he said he was overloaded with work at his job and so couldn't attend to forum business... which is a pitty, by the way .

Ah such a pity ... and was why I asked...Perhaps this has been clarified already?... seeing that there was a huge time lapse. His description is certainly of the Moroccan form..He wrote ;

Quote" Besides, I've seen at least one exemplar of "Zanzibar", with stems (in Spanish they are called pitones) in the hilt and a short(ish), wide, cutting blade, with traces of etched designs and inscriptions in Arabic, but with a koftgari and enamel decoration typical of North African late exemplars."Unquote.

In another thread I have just considered the difference in Knuckleguards on these two styles concluding at

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21833

both the reason for the variance and the conclusion placing the Moroccan position as clearly the instigator of the basic design of the hilt.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Here an interesting Portuguese ,or in the least, an Iberian Sword:

[fernando]

Spanish Colonial, just like one had in my collection. Sorry but, nothing to do with typical Swords a la Portuguese... or a la Iberian .


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[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Quite a late invention almost a revival sword...but with vestiges of the Jinete and accents from the Nimcha and with long live Spain on the blade. It seemed a pity not to include.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

This is a Portuguese sword though lightly disguised as something else;

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Quite a late invention almost a revival sword...but with vestiges of the Jinete and accents from the Nimcha and with long live Spain on the blade. It seemed a pity not to include.

I guess the whole engraving has the misspelt inscription " VIVA EL REY DE ESPANNA" but, Zenete and Nimcha accents are hardly there ... and still i don't see this sword connected with swords a la Portuguese; far too long a shot ... perhaps a case for binoculars .

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

This is a Portuguese sword though lightly disguised as something else;

If i recall, there never was any evidence that this sword is Portuguese .

[fernando]

More on the Colonial sword (Mbele a Lulendo) being continued HERE

[midelburgo]

We discussed on this subject at a Spanish site in 2012 (in Spanish sorry).

http://www.esgrimaantigua.com/forum/...lit=portuguesa

Regards.