An Unsusal Curved Flyssa sword

[Kubur]

Hi All,

I disagree with Marius.
It's a flyssa, with a flyssa hilt, flyssa scabbard and flyssa blade (engravings).
Yes the curvature is different but the length is a flyssa length.
It was just inspired by the so-called weeding swords, the real nimcha.
Plus you don't have one type of flyssa blade but at least two, the long and narrow and the large yatagan type...

Best,
Kubur

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi All,

I disagree with Marius.
It's a flyssa, with a flyssa hilt, flyssa scabbard and flyssa blade (engravings).
Yes the curvature is different but the length is a flyssa length.
It was just inspired by the so-called weeding swords, the real nimcha.
Plus you don't have one type of flyssa blade but at least two, the long and narrow and the large yatagan type...

Best,
Kubur

A few flyssa blade types.

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by estcrh

A few flyssa blade types.

Waow its what they call a team work!

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by estcrh

A few flyssa blade types.

Exactly my point!


Otherwise, we may end up calling all these "Tulwar".

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Exactly my point!


Otherwise, we may end up calling all these "Tulwar".

Marius, you know that swords / daggers from certain cultures are more categorized than others. Indian swords are very categorized with many different types being given specific names. Swords / daggers from other cultures are treated differently....take yatagan for example....many different blade types, hilt types, scabbard types and yet we have no problem categorizing them as yatagan. These things tend to be on a case by case basis.

So is this sword a nimcha or a flyssa???

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by estcrh

Marius, you know that swords / daggers from certain cultures are more categorized than others. Indian swords are very categorized with many different types being given specific names. Swords / daggers from other cultures are treated differently....take yatagan for example....many different blade types, hilt types, scabbard types and yet we have no problem categorizing them as yatagan. These things tend to be on a case by case basis.

So is this sword a nimcha or a flyssa???

Of course you are right and I know myself that.

However, I am of the oppinion we must stirve to improve the current naming system by making it clearer, more consitent and more accurate.

Following this idea, I believe a sword is primarilly defined by its blade.

So, your example is a "Flyssa with a Nimcha hilt." Now, even without seeing the photo, you could be able to get a pretty good idea of what it is.

Why not a "Nimcha witha Flyssa blade?" Because, as I mentioned earlier, the blade is the most important part of a sword, and therefore, the sword should be named after the blade.

However, this remains my oppinion.

PS: You found a brilliant example!

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Following this idea, I believe a sword is primarilly defined by its blade.
and therefore, the sword should be named after the blade.
However, this remains my oppinion.

Well Marius
...a lot of members are thinking like you.
However IMHO I think the total opposite
The people who did these swords didn't care about the style of the swords
they cared about effectiveness and beauty, good blade to fight and to show off
Most of the Arab, Turkish, African and Indian swords have imported blades
Europeans and Persians
What do you think about the kaskara, tabouka, Arabian shamshirs, shashka, firangi, kattara?
Plus you have yatagans without the typical yatagan curved blades... where do you put them?

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by Kubur

Well Marius
...a lot of members are thinking like you.
However IMHO I think the total opposite
The people who did these swords didn't care about the style of the swords
they cared about effectiveness and beauty, good blade to fight and to show off
Most of the Arab, Turkish, African and Indian swords have imported blades
Europeans and Persians
What do you think about the kaskara, tabouka, Arabian shamshirs, shashka, firangi, kattara?
Plus you have yatagans without the typical yatagan curved blades... where do you put them?

Got your idea but I see no conflict with mine. Say Kaskara and you know exactly what it is, blade and hilt. You wouldn't think of a curved blade, right?!

Say Flyssa and you would instantly think at one from examples below, and definitely not at a curved blade sword.

When you say Yatagan, what are you thinking at?! Say if a child would ask you to draw a Yatagan. What would you draw?! A straight bladed Yatagan? I don't think so.

As with respect to the Yatagans with a straight blade, I would call them exactly: Yatagan with straight blade... but only because in this case I can not find a more accurate way to describe it.

But between black and white are a thousand shades of grey... right?!

PS: But then... if we can have a "Yatagan with straight blade" based on the same logic we can also have a "Flyssa with curved blade"... and here I am defeated by my own argument.