unknown powder flask

Wodimi · 15th July 2017, 10:07 AM

I think you're right with your points, it sounds logic and also right there is no powder cut off, also it has never been there.
If not Africa/Morocco I should overthink to sell it, even it's a real beauty and with good age.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 15th July 2017, 10:53 AM

Great question and close to call... Here are some leather covered studded Moroccan flasks. Apparently Berber.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Wodimi · 15th July 2017, 12:39 PM

nice bottles Ibrahiim, congratulation. Are they really leather covered? I know them only complete made of wood including the upper long tube.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 15th July 2017, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Wodimi

nice bottles Ibrahiim, congratulation. Are they really leather covered? I know them only complete made of wood including the upper long tube.

I agree wood.

rickystl · 15th July 2017, 08:23 PM

Hi Wodimi.

As for the flask that you originally posted, I agree with Stu. The spout and iron work look Afghan. Something interesting to note is the pour spout being positioned about 60 degrees from vertical. I believe this was so the spout would be positioned away from the torso while on horse/camel back.
You will note that many of these flasks have a carrying ring on each side of the flask, and a third device at the center back of the flask. I believe this center device was used to hang the flask from a hook on the waist belt while riding. And the shoulder strap so the flask would not be lost, or while on foot. Much the way a sword belt works.
The last two wooden flasks posted I believe one or both to be Algerian.
Anyway, nice Afghan flask in a style you don't generally see.

Rick

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 16th July 2017, 12:56 PM

Here is another ~ said to be Ottoman leather powder flask and belt pouch, 19th century, possibly North African, the circular flask having a silver metal spout, decorative medallion, and silver nail studs, 3"h x 5"w x 8"d; the pouch with applied silver metal mounts, 7"w x 6.5"w

Identical to the project flask. I assume they mean the pouch is leather ... I think the round flask is wood...? Ah I'm wrong ... see the reverse view it's leather. I assume leather over wood?

See sold item at https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/a...d-a52a011541ea

Is this the same item please?

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Wodimi · 16th July 2017, 03:16 PM

yes leather over wood and also yes it's the same bottle, but not bought in that auction. There was also no pouch, only the flask...strange.
I bought it in a UK auction, not in US.

15th July 2017, 10:53 AM	#2
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Great question and close to call... Here are some leather covered studded Moroccan flasks. Apparently Berber. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. Attached Images

15th July 2017, 12:39 PM	#3
Wodimi Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 75	nice bottles Ibrahiim, congratulation. Are they really leather covered? I know them only complete made of wood including the upper long tube. Attached Images

16th July 2017, 12:56 PM	#6
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Here is another ~ said to be Ottoman leather powder flask and belt pouch, 19th century, possibly North African, the circular flask having a silver metal spout, decorative medallion, and silver nail studs, 3"h x 5"w x 8"d; the pouch with applied silver metal mounts, 7"w x 6.5"w Identical to the project flask. I assume they mean the pouch is leather ... I think the round flask is wood...? Ah I'm wrong ... see the reverse view it's leather. I assume leather over wood? See sold item at https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/a...d-a52a011541ea Is this the same item please? Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. Attached Images Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 16th July 2017 at 01:08 PM.

15th July 2017, 10:07 AM	#1
Wodimi Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 75	I think you're right with your points, it sounds logic and also right there is no powder cut off, also it has never been there. If not Africa/Morocco I should overthink to sell it, even it's a real beauty and with good age.

15th July 2017, 08:23 PM	#5
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,632	Hi Wodimi. As for the flask that you originally posted, I agree with Stu. The spout and iron work look Afghan. Something interesting to note is the pour spout being positioned about 60 degrees from vertical. I believe this was so the spout would be positioned away from the torso while on horse/camel back. You will note that many of these flasks have a carrying ring on each side of the flask, and a third device at the center back of the flask. I believe this center device was used to hang the flask from a hook on the waist belt while riding. And the shoulder strap so the flask would not be lost, or while on foot. Much the way a sword belt works. The last two wooden flasks posted I believe one or both to be Algerian. Anyway, nice Afghan flask in a style you don't generally see. Rick

16th July 2017, 03:16 PM	#7
Wodimi Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 75	yes leather over wood and also yes it's the same bottle, but not bought in that auction. There was also no pouch, only the flask...strange. I bought it in a UK auction, not in US.