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9th March 2006, 02:36 AM
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 A friend once poured some into an insulated plastic tumbler I had and it actually crazed the plastic surface . 
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9th March 2006, 02:52 AM
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Thank you for adding your voice to this matter, Rick.
I consider it an important endorsement of the truth. I hope the new owner of the sword under discussion has something potent on hand. I suspect he is going to need it. Next up: eggs-- which end does the well-informed individual open first? Guest lecturer: Jonathan Swift Ham |
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9th March 2006, 04:28 AM
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And now... for something completely different.
Here is another one that just ended. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1 I love Caucasian weapons and always wanted to get a Daghestani sword (not shashka). And here was the one I wanted! However, I was a bit uncomfortable: the handle did not seem right. Daghestani swords rarely used horn, their pommels usually ended with a carved horse, dog or dragon , and this particular one looked kind of.... new. I contacted the seller and he assured me that it was original. Well....The blade looks overcleaned although there are traces of false damascening within the fullers What do you think? Did I make a mistake not bidding on the "dream of my life" ? |
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9th March 2006, 06:11 AM
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Ariel,
You're okay, it's not from Daghestan. This is a Khevsur sabre of the 1920s-30s; the key is in the motifs, techniques and materials used in the inlays. You might compare with some shown in Astvatsaturian. Incidentally, the scabbard has been recently recovered in pigskin. You won't find that in Daghestan much. Ham Last edited by ham; 9th March 2006 at 07:33 AM. |
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9th March 2006, 12:43 PM
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However, I would disagree a bit. Georgian and Daghestani Palashes were vey similar in terms of blades. The handle... Well, it is new and cannot tell us much, anyway. Khevsur palashes had scabbards clad in silver or brass sheets. Again, either Georg./Dagh. or a major loss of the original. The hanging rings are not simple round but heart-shaped and flattened (again, Dagh./Georg.)The ornamentation is vegetal, very much Georgian/Daghestani . I do think this is a heavily(and I mean HEAVILY!!!) restored Daghestani/Georgian. But... pigskin!!! Yuck! And I am not talking about Halal, but about authenticity: goat or donkey are the only ones. In any case, even if I was too cautious, at least it went to a fellow Forumite. Valjhun, enjoy! |
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9th March 2006, 05:06 PM
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well Ariel, we hadn't understood yupsss, maybe is the sliwowitza yupss, but I haven't bought that sword, as you can read in the other thread... I haven't liked it from the beginnig...
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9th March 2006, 05:56 PM
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It should be borne in mind that the Khevsur are Georgians, albeit mountain dwellers. The familiar Khevsur sword mounted in strips of silver or brass (and later, even aluminium) is one type. However it is predated by the form of the sword Ariel didn't get. This was popular in Georgian urban centers and was adopted from the Persians-- I am sure Astvatsaturian shows examples in Weapons of the Caucasian Peoples...? Don't have a copy with me this time.
The grip is not replaced, it is a characteristic example actually. Other than the odious recovering, which seems to represent some government directive carried out on every piece to exit the former Soviet states since Gorbachev, it is of the correct form-- this includes the mounts which, though crude, are traditional. Ham |
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