"The sword of the Prophet"

Dom · 6th March 2006, 01:13 PM

in preparation of our next trip, some months in Syria, I found in a book concerning that country the following illustration dated 18th century
it's exactly the sword of our chat purpose
translation of the French text (by a Frenchie

) ;
The Christians of Syria are above all the Arabs: they preserve the
culture and the modes of representation, including in the religious
iconography. Illuminated (?) (Enluminée) page of the Gospel of Luc, XVIIIe S., Museum of Damas

tuancd · 7th March 2006, 12:23 AM

Just a slight correction of the translation. In order to make it clearer.

The Christians of Syria are above all Arabs: ... and not "The Christians of Syria are above all the Arabs:"

That makes a difference (another frenchie

)

Dom · 7th March 2006, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tuancd

Just a slight correction of the translation. In order to make it clearer.
The Christians of Syria are above all Arabs: ... and not "The Christians of Syria are above all the Arabs:"
That makes a difference (another frenchie

)

I apologize for that major mistake, I'm realy shame, I haven't excuse, deeply sorry if I offend somebody
and, I'm not a Christian, I'm a Muslim

that prove that it wasn't a provocation from my side, just a stupidity to have used an automatic translator
Merci cher Compatriote d'avoir corrigé cette imbécilité

PUFF · 7th March 2006, 03:10 AM

According to the Quran, human illustration is prohibited. The picture above might came from less conservative muslim community. And the sword drawing might be only artist 's concept, IMHO

Zan · 7th March 2006, 03:24 AM

Hi Puff,

The pictures comes from the New Testament of the Bible, and not the Guran, so it makes sense. It is Arab, not Muslim.

Zan (still another Frenchie!, but from Québec)

M.carter · 7th March 2006, 11:02 AM

I find it very strange that the pictures come from a bible. You can see that whoever drew the pictures, wrote in the border around them some texts from the Hadith of the prophet muhammad. Which is totally contradicting. Why would a muslim arab have his picture drawn in a bible, with islamic texts around??

Intersting to note is the halo around the mans head, which implies late abbasid period (according to "The court of the Caliphs"- Hugh Kennedy). During the late abbasid period, artists seem to have found halo's in christian drawings (usually only around the heads of saints) impressive, and they drew halo's around everyone!

Im quite reluctant to believe that this page came from a bible, as the texts in the border are typical shiite texts(writtern in farsi script), and the fair Persian face on the character, and decoration all seem to point to Persia.

If I were an arab, I would find the french text below the drawing extremely offensive.

ariel · 7th March 2006, 11:29 AM

Oh, No-o-o-o-o!
Please, not on this Forum!!!!!
Can we just talk about sharp and pointy things?

6th March 2006, 01:13 PM	#1
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	in preparation of our next trip, some months in Syria, I found in a book concerning that country the following illustration dated 18th century it's exactly the sword of our chat purpose translation of the French text (by a Frenchie ) ; The Christians of Syria are above all the Arabs: they preserve the culture and the modes of representation, including in the religious iconography. Illuminated (?) (Enluminée) page of the Gospel of Luc, XVIIIe S., Museum of Damas Attached Images

7th March 2006, 12:23 AM	#2
tuancd Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Paris - Bruxelles Posts: 32	Just a slight correction of the translation. In order to make it clearer. The Christians of Syria are above all Arabs: ... and not "The Christians of Syria are above all the Arabs:" That makes a difference (another frenchie )

7th March 2006, 03:10 AM	#4
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	According to the Quran, human illustration is prohibited. The picture above might came from less conservative muslim community. And the sword drawing might be only artist 's concept, IMHO

7th March 2006, 03:24 AM	#5
Zan Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Montréal, Province of Québec, Canada Posts: 46	Hi Puff, The pictures comes from the New Testament of the Bible, and not the Guran, so it makes sense. It is Arab, not Muslim. Zan (still another Frenchie!, but from Québec)

7th March 2006, 11:02 AM	#6
M.carter Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 176	I find it very strange that the pictures come from a bible. You can see that whoever drew the pictures, wrote in the border around them some texts from the Hadith of the prophet muhammad. Which is totally contradicting. Why would a muslim arab have his picture drawn in a bible, with islamic texts around?? Intersting to note is the halo around the mans head, which implies late abbasid period (according to "The court of the Caliphs"- Hugh Kennedy). During the late abbasid period, artists seem to have found halo's in christian drawings (usually only around the heads of saints) impressive, and they drew halo's around everyone! Im quite reluctant to believe that this page came from a bible, as the texts in the border are typical shiite texts(writtern in farsi script), and the fair Persian face on the character, and decoration all seem to point to Persia. If I were an arab, I would find the french text below the drawing extremely offensive.

7th March 2006, 11:29 AM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Oh, No-o-o-o-o! Please, not on this Forum!!!!! Can we just talk about sharp and pointy things?