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			Thanks for your expertise! 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	So it is what I tought, no special keris, no scrap, but a fair and authentic example of an average keris. Just one remark (maybe due to my lack of English): The comparison with the “reuse of high quality women to not waste them” is a bit of a hard stuff for me …   Regards Karl  | 
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			Please accept my most sincere apologies for offending your delicate sensibilities Karl. 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	However, when we engage in discussion of the keris, we unavoidably involve ourselves in the discussion of the societal mores of a place, and in reality, a time, that is not really governed by the same or even similar customs and conventions as those to which many of us may be heir.  | 
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 the values we held today is very much different than what they held during their time ![]() Donny  | 
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			Very true Donny --- regrettably
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			Well, I did not intend to offend or correct you Alan, obviously I didnt get the reference to older times. 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	In some ways its regrettable that times and manners are changing, in others it isnt ...  | 
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			You did not offend me in the slightest degree Karl.  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	Yes, I was thinking in terms of times past when I was writing, but upon reflection, I cannot see any contradiction in what I wrote if I think in terms of the segment of society in which I live when I am in Jawa. Nothing is wasted. I mean nothing at all.  | 
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