Ivory sale/import/export and CITES

mariusgmioc · 11th March 2017, 06:44 PM

Thank you!

Very useful!

Jens Nordlunde · 15th March 2017, 10:28 PM

Can anyone with contacts to Sotheby's or Christies please ask how they do it?

silberschatzimsee · 16th March 2017, 01:12 AM

I was at christies 2 weeks ago in London and there they mentioned there is a total embargo to France with ivory items. It must have been a very new rule because they told it before every item containing ivory.

Since I collect ivoryitems I was keen-eared on this topic.

Ps: So the workaround would be to fly to Germany your purchase, drive by car to france and forget things in the glove box or in the backseat.

silberschatzimsee · 16th March 2017, 01:14 AM

Pps: I sadly didn't win my lot and do not live in France so I had no problems when flying back.

Jens Nordlunde · 16th March 2017, 10:03 AM

Thanks for the information.
I would not recomend to send anything with ivory via Germany, as they, for many years, have been very strict. Years ago I heard about a collector who had bought a dagger with an ivory hilt in the US, and had it sent to Germany where he lives. The dagger was confiscated, and he was not even allowed to give it to a museum.

mariusgmioc · 16th March 2017, 03:22 PM

It appears that as time passes by, common sense is gradually and steadilly replaced by idiocy in our society.

At times, I have the feeling that our governments are competing in terms of idiocy, in the sense that as soon as one government passes an idiotic law, there are always following governments striving to pass even more idiotic and non-sensical laws.

@ Jens
You say they didn't even allow him to donate the dagger to a museum... I assume the dagger was destroyed... in the spirit of the new European "civilization" not very much unlike ISIS destroyed the ancient artifacts and monuments that weren't into conformity with their set of rules and beliefs.

Jens Nordlunde · 16th March 2017, 04:52 PM

Marius, this has been discussed a number of times, here is a link to what Mark wrote, but be aware of, that it is years ago.
ahttp://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=6786&highlight=CITES
The only thuing I can come up with is, that the weapon societies in each country should contact parlimentarian/s, explain the problem, and ask how it can be solved. I do realise that we in Europe also have the EU parliment, which does not make it any easier, but I dont think it can be done in any other way.

16th March 2017, 03:22 PM	#6
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,911	It appears that as time passes by, common sense is gradually and steadilly replaced by idiocy in our society. At times, I have the feeling that our governments are competing in terms of idiocy, in the sense that as soon as one government passes an idiotic law, there are always following governments striving to pass even more idiotic and non-sensical laws. @ Jens You say they didn't even allow him to donate the dagger to a museum... I assume the dagger was destroyed... in the spirit of the new European "civilization" not very much unlike ISIS destroyed the ancient artifacts and monuments that weren't into conformity with their set of rules and beliefs. Last edited by mariusgmioc; 16th March 2017 at 04:37 PM.

11th March 2017, 06:44 PM	#1
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,911	Thank you! Very useful!

15th March 2017, 10:28 PM	#2
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Can anyone with contacts to Sotheby's or Christies please ask how they do it?

16th March 2017, 01:12 AM	#3
silberschatzimsee Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 90	I was at christies 2 weeks ago in London and there they mentioned there is a total embargo to France with ivory items. It must have been a very new rule because they told it before every item containing ivory. Since I collect ivoryitems I was keen-eared on this topic. Ps: So the workaround would be to fly to Germany your purchase, drive by car to france and forget things in the glove box or in the backseat.

16th March 2017, 01:14 AM	#4
silberschatzimsee Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 90	Pps: I sadly didn't win my lot and do not live in France so I had no problems when flying back.

16th March 2017, 10:03 AM	#5
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Thanks for the information. I would not recomend to send anything with ivory via Germany, as they, for many years, have been very strict. Years ago I heard about a collector who had bought a dagger with an ivory hilt in the US, and had it sent to Germany where he lives. The dagger was confiscated, and he was not even allowed to give it to a museum.

16th March 2017, 04:52 PM	#7
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Marius, this has been discussed a number of times, here is a link to what Mark wrote, but be aware of, that it is years ago. ahttp://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=6786&highlight=CITES The only thuing I can come up with is, that the weapon societies in each country should contact parlimentarian/s, explain the problem, and ask how it can be solved. I do realise that we in Europe also have the EU parliment, which does not make it any easier, but I dont think it can be done in any other way.