Wrought (!) and cast iron cannon balls, 16th century

Lars Klaksson · 26th January 2017, 02:24 PM

There is an important message from 1618 Bohemia which speaks about marking on cannon balls.

.. Trćka – bohemian nobleman and owner of several iron foundries (“Hammern”) on Sazava river, which was on the line between Habsburg army and Bohemian rebel army in 1618, is accused by nobles that he is making and selling cannon balls to the enemy Habsburg army.. and even that he marks them with his mark ... (cited from Skála ze Zhoře: Historie česká, 1626, version published 1984 by Jos. Janacek)

Unfortunately there are no known balls survived with such a marks..

fernando · 26th January 2017, 02:41 PM

Interesting information, Lars.
and ... welcome to the forum

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Jim McDougall · 26th January 2017, 03:22 PM

I would like to join Fernando in welcoming you to our forum Lars!!
It is wonderful to have these threads from years back revived, and having new information added to add to the compiled data in them.

These threads are actually sort of an ongoing archive which are in a sense a thriving corpus of knowledge with valuable information and key discussion for arms researchers for years to come.

Our late friend Matchlock was an amazing researcher and contributor in the arms collecting and research community, and there is no finer tribute than to have his work continued, just as you have done with your thoughtful entry.

Looking forward to having you with us, and knowing more on your fields of collecting and study, and thank you again!!!

Jim

Lars Klaksson · 27th January 2017, 02:15 PM

Thank you guys! I'll try not to disappoint this community

fernando · 27th January 2017, 05:07 PM

You may fire at will, Lars ... no serious restrictions

By the way, have you been here ?
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=julius

Lars Klaksson · 23rd September 2017, 03:58 PM

Hi Fernado and others, (btw thanks for posted nice thread)

I think that there is an article which could be important (hope it isn't here already - if i didn´t mised it above).

Arne Homann 2015: Artlleriegeschosse aus Schlacken - Eine Welfische Erfindung des 16. Jahrhunderts. In: Braunschweigisches Jahrbuch für Landesgeschichte, Band 96.

you´ll find there "Herzogs Wolfenbutel" marks

Kmaddock · 23rd September 2017, 08:39 PM

Hi Fernando
The un identified item to me looks like the metal that solidified in the ladle as the pour of the molten iron was carried out.
After the metal total solidified the ladle was tapped out and this casting of the inside of the ladle was made?
When I made lead soldiers I would end up with the same shaped object of lead which I would throw back into the smelting container.
Sad to see the old matchlock posts coming up. I will toast himwith a glass of wine tonight.
Regards
Ken

26th January 2017, 02:24 PM	#1
Lars Klaksson Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 3	There is an important message from 1618 Bohemia which speaks about marking on cannon balls. .. Trćka – bohemian nobleman and owner of several iron foundries (“Hammern”) on Sazava river, which was on the line between Habsburg army and Bohemian rebel army in 1618, is accused by nobles that he is making and selling cannon balls to the enemy Habsburg army.. and even that he marks them with his mark ... (cited from Skála ze Zhoře: Historie česká, 1626, version published 1984 by Jos. Janacek) Unfortunately there are no known balls survived with such a marks..

26th January 2017, 02:41 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Interesting information, Lars. and ... welcome to the forum .

26th January 2017, 03:22 PM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,459	I would like to join Fernando in welcoming you to our forum Lars!! It is wonderful to have these threads from years back revived, and having new information added to add to the compiled data in them. These threads are actually sort of an ongoing archive which are in a sense a thriving corpus of knowledge with valuable information and key discussion for arms researchers for years to come. Our late friend Matchlock was an amazing researcher and contributor in the arms collecting and research community, and there is no finer tribute than to have his work continued, just as you have done with your thoughtful entry. Looking forward to having you with us, and knowing more on your fields of collecting and study, and thank you again!!! Jim

27th January 2017, 02:15 PM	#4
Lars Klaksson Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 3	Thank you guys! I'll try not to disappoint this community

27th January 2017, 05:07 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	You may fire at will, Lars ... no serious restrictions By the way, have you been here ? http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=julius

23rd September 2017, 03:58 PM	#6
Lars Klaksson Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 3	Hi Fernado and others, (btw thanks for posted nice thread) I think that there is an article which could be important (hope it isn't here already - if i didn´t mised it above). Arne Homann 2015: Artlleriegeschosse aus Schlacken - Eine Welfische Erfindung des 16. Jahrhunderts. In: Braunschweigisches Jahrbuch für Landesgeschichte, Band 96. you´ll find there "Herzogs Wolfenbutel" marks

23rd September 2017, 08:39 PM	#7
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Hi Fernando The un identified item to me looks like the metal that solidified in the ladle as the pour of the molten iron was carried out. After the metal total solidified the ladle was tapped out and this casting of the inside of the ladle was made? When I made lead soldiers I would end up with the same shaped object of lead which I would throw back into the smelting container. Sad to see the old matchlock posts coming up. I will toast himwith a glass of wine tonight. Regards Ken