18th Miquelet Lock Musket, Catalonian Maker Info Needed

Norman McCormick · 20th January 2017, 07:26 PM

I've been trying to convince my wife

that my 63 years, please note 63 is less than 69, would look better if I partook of your famous Portuguese tipple after dinner after all I have held you up as an example of the youth giving properties of Port for years.
Kind Regards,
Norman

OOPS

She has just rumbled that Fernando and Ronaldo are two different people

machinist · 21st January 2017, 04:27 AM

I really enjoy Peninsular Miquelets and want to learn as much as I can about them, what is the meaning of "all three fashions" applied to the lock in this case?

fernando · 21st January 2017, 12:06 PM

Fernando K is the man able to distinguish all lock styles at first sight.
In an atempt to 'antecipate' him, i will advance that, the three fashions (a las tres modas) variant, is a mix of all three styles, “a la española”, “a la francesa” y “a la romana”. It may be identified by the safe point of the 'cats foot' being situated in the angle that forms the 'patilla' arm.
Note that the interpretation of lock styles some times differs from diverse writers criteria.

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Fernando K · 21st January 2017, 12:32 PM

Hi machinist

The miquelete "to the three fashions" differs from the classic miquelete. First, from the classic miquelete retains the firing system, the actual spring acting on the heel of the cat's foot, the cat's foot with the pedrero screw with his claqsica argolla. Second The bowl no longer has the false flange as in the classic miquelete, but the flange forms partye of the bowl, and the frizen is curved, as in the French key, although it is scratched, as in the miquelete. Third, by the placement of the spring of the frizen, which is not hidden by the flange, but is in view, as in the Roman lock, in front of the main spring.

Affectionately, Fernando K

Fernando K · 21st January 2017, 12:43 PM

Dear tocayo

I differ with you, and with Calvo obviously. The example he has chosen is still a classic miquelete, with its bridle false, although it distances in one thing, the placement of the spring of the frizen, as in the key to the Roman. The fact that the half-mounted chock acts on the internal curve of the pin is not decisive, as there are specimens of pure miquelete with that characteristic.

It differs, of course, from the copy that has gone up dana

A hug. Fernando K

fernando · 21st January 2017, 02:57 PM

Nothing to say, Fernando; you are the one who knows. But as i previously approached, it is Calvó himself that admits the existence of different interpretations.

http://www.catalogacionarmas.com/public/recuerdos77.pdf

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Fernando K · 21st January 2017, 05:30 PM

Dear namesake

Exactly, the page of Calvo is missing the copy that has been accepted by Dana. The one that has the bowl with its built bridle, and that is the one that refers the document of the real Palace that is reproduced in LAVIN

A hug. Fernando K

20th January 2017, 07:26 PM	#1
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,618	I've been trying to convince my wife that my 63 years, please note 63 is less than 69, would look better if I partook of your famous Portuguese tipple after dinner after all I have held you up as an example of the youth giving properties of Port for years. Kind Regards, Norman OOPS She has just rumbled that Fernando and Ronaldo are two different people Last edited by Norman McCormick; 20th January 2017 at 11:21 PM.

21st January 2017, 12:06 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Fernando K is the man able to distinguish all lock styles at first sight. In an atempt to 'antecipate' him, i will advance that, the three fashions (a las tres modas) variant, is a mix of all three styles, “a la española”, “a la francesa” y “a la romana”. It may be identified by the safe point of the 'cats foot' being situated in the angle that forms the 'patilla' arm. Note that the interpretation of lock styles some times differs from diverse writers criteria. . Attached Images

21st January 2017, 02:57 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Nothing to say, Fernando; you are the one who knows. But as i previously approached, it is Calvó himself that admits the existence of different interpretations. http://www.catalogacionarmas.com/public/recuerdos77.pdf . Attached Images Last edited by fernando; 21st January 2017 at 03:39 PM.

21st January 2017, 04:27 AM	#2
machinist Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 93	I really enjoy Peninsular Miquelets and want to learn as much as I can about them, what is the meaning of "all three fashions" applied to the lock in this case?

21st January 2017, 12:32 PM	#4
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Hi machinist The miquelete "to the three fashions" differs from the classic miquelete. First, from the classic miquelete retains the firing system, the actual spring acting on the heel of the cat's foot, the cat's foot with the pedrero screw with his claqsica argolla. Second The bowl no longer has the false flange as in the classic miquelete, but the flange forms partye of the bowl, and the frizen is curved, as in the French key, although it is scratched, as in the miquelete. Third, by the placement of the spring of the frizen, which is not hidden by the flange, but is in view, as in the Roman lock, in front of the main spring. Affectionately, Fernando K

21st January 2017, 12:43 PM	#5
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Dear tocayo I differ with you, and with Calvo obviously. The example he has chosen is still a classic miquelete, with its bridle false, although it distances in one thing, the placement of the spring of the frizen, as in the key to the Roman. The fact that the half-mounted chock acts on the internal curve of the pin is not decisive, as there are specimens of pure miquelete with that characteristic. It differs, of course, from the copy that has gone up dana A hug. Fernando K

21st January 2017, 05:30 PM	#7
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Dear namesake Exactly, the page of Calvo is missing the copy that has been accepted by Dana. The one that has the bowl with its built bridle, and that is the one that refers the document of the real Palace that is reproduced in LAVIN A hug. Fernando K