Solingen Presentational Sword

Sajen · 10th January 2017, 07:39 PM

The other inscription is not complete, who is the presenter from the sword I can't see but it was given to the "more as highest venerated" (hochverehrtesten) commandant....(here again is a part I can't read because not visible complete) Alexander Venkarini (?) in the year 1875. I just need to read it complete.
The Presenter is any division.

Jim McDougall · 10th January 2017, 11:36 PM

Detlef,
Thank you so much for that input!!!
There are quite a few guys around here who know these kinds of 'watered steel' blades, and I am about as far from a metallurgist as they come. I have always been under the impression that a faux Damascus was etched or somehow produced on the blade.
However, I know that while the mystery of wootz making was pretty much lost, in Germany and I think Russia, the skilled artisans did achieve some level of the cherished steel sometime in the 19th c.
Excellent information on the 'Eisenhauer' term, I will add to notes.
All the best
Jim

Sajen · 11th January 2017, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Detlef,
Thank you so much for that input!!!

Glad that I could be from help!

Best regards,
Detlef

kai · 11th January 2017, 08:24 AM

Alex, this is him:

Hauptmann 2. Cl[asse] Alexander Venturini
Commandant der Sanitäts-Abtheilung Nr. 10 zu Innsbruck (Juli 1870 - [1875?])

Captain 2nd class Alexander Venturini
Commander of the 10th Medical Department/Regiment at Innsbruck (July 1870 - [1875?])

https://books.google.de/books?id=1vp...er%20venturini
[Heck, doesn't work: remove alexander in the search field at the left hand side and hit the search button - this takes you to p. 133]

Regards,
Kai

ALEX · 11th January 2017, 11:02 AM

Thank you very much, Jim, Detlef, Fernando, Kai, for such informative comments. Kai, thank you for finding the person in the register.
I will also try to make better pictures and post later. Thanks again!

Sajen · 11th January 2017, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kai

Captain 2nd class Alexander Venturini
Commander of the 10th Medical Department/Regiment at Innsbruck (July 1870 - [1875?])

Hello Kai,

very well done!

Have had problems to read the surname.

Regards,
Detlef

kai · 11th January 2017, 07:32 AM

Hello Jim,

Quote:

There are quite a few guys around here who know these kinds of 'watered steel' blades, and I am about as far from a metallurgist as they come. I have always been under the impression that a faux Damascus was etched or somehow produced on the blade.
However, I know that while the mystery of wootz making was pretty much lost, in Germany and I think Russia, the skilled artisans did achieve some level of the cherished steel sometime in the 19th c.

"Echt-Damast" doesn't refer to wootz but rather a pattern-welded blade (made from laminated steel). As Detlef said, the maker does claim it to be real PW. For most of the blade this seems true (from the back of the blade, top of the close-up), whereas along the edge (lower side of the pic) there seems to be some faux pattern added by wax resist etching!

Regards,
Kai

Sajen · 11th January 2017, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

"Echt-Damast" doesn't refer to wootz but rather a pattern-welded blade (made from laminated steel).

Have thought that this is clear!

10th January 2017, 07:39 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,325	The other inscription is not complete, who is the presenter from the sword I can't see but it was given to the "more as highest venerated" (hochverehrtesten) commandant....(here again is a part I can't read because not visible complete) Alexander Venkarini (?) in the year 1875. I just need to read it complete. The Presenter is any division. Last edited by Sajen; 11th January 2017 at 12:30 AM. Reason: Add information

10th January 2017, 11:36 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,581	Detlef, Thank you so much for that input!!! There are quite a few guys around here who know these kinds of 'watered steel' blades, and I am about as far from a metallurgist as they come. I have always been under the impression that a faux Damascus was etched or somehow produced on the blade. However, I know that while the mystery of wootz making was pretty much lost, in Germany and I think Russia, the skilled artisans did achieve some level of the cherished steel sometime in the 19th c. Excellent information on the 'Eisenhauer' term, I will add to notes. All the best Jim

11th January 2017, 08:24 AM	#4
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Alex, this is him: Hauptmann 2. Cl[asse] Alexander Venturini Commandant der Sanitäts-Abtheilung Nr. 10 zu Innsbruck (Juli 1870 - [1875?]) Captain 2nd class Alexander Venturini Commander of the 10th Medical Department/Regiment at Innsbruck (July 1870 - [1875?]) https://books.google.de/books?id=1vp...er%20venturini [Heck, doesn't work: remove alexander in the search field at the left hand side and hit the search button - this takes you to p. 133] Regards, Kai

11th January 2017, 11:02 AM	#5
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Thank you very much, Jim, Detlef, Fernando, Kai, for such informative comments. Kai, thank you for finding the person in the register. I will also try to make better pictures and post later. Thanks again!