Unknown Islamic Wootz? Sword

[ALEX]

Originally Posted by Kubur

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Could it be the same with an old Hungarian blade?

Most certainly!

[Norman McCormick]

Hi Guys,
Thanks to all for your comments. It would appear to be an older blade in newer non historical clothes. Do you think it would be a worthwhile or indeed an interesting exercise to dismount the blade and remount in historical suitable fittings and if so what would you suggest? Thanks again for all the ideas and comments.
My Regards,
Norman.

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

Hi Guys,
Thanks to all for your comments. It would appear to be an older blade in newer non historical clothes. Do you think it would be a worthwhile or indeed an interesting exercise to dismount the blade and remount in historical suitable fittings and if so what would you suggest? Thanks again for all the ideas and comments.
My Regards,
Norman.

Hello Norman,

1. How did you conclude it is an older blade? Or better said: define "older."
2. Where do you expect to find perfectly matching "historical" fittings?
3. What do you expect to achive by having the blade remounted?

Regards,

Marius

[Norman McCormick]

Hi Marius,

1) On the advice and opinions of other members, please see post no 11, and having handled a fair number of blades I am reasonably sure that the blade is a bit older than the rest but by how much I don't know.

2) I don't, I was going to manufacture, as an interesting exercise, the parts myself. As the sword is already an amalgam of 'bits' I see no harm in doing this as any integrity is already lost.

3) Satisfaction, not often I have a blade I can play about with. I would of course inscribe the date e.g. 18th June 2017 into a part of the new fittings e.g. the scabbard locket and somewhere on the guard so that it could never be taken as a period piece, this is of course assuming my manufacturing skills are of a sufficient level to be taken for the real thing.


I hope this has answered your questions satisfactorily but if you have any counter ideas I am open to all suggestions. Many thanks for your interest.
My Regards,
Norman.

[mariusgmioc]

Thank you Norman for the reply!

I was purely curious, and that's why I asked.

I wish you success with refitting the blade (if you decide to do it)... but if it were mine, I would keep it as it is (for the reason that I can't possibly make any fittings myself and it will be a time consuming work)!

[Norman McCormick]

Hi Guys,
My thanks to all who participated in this thread, lessons have been learnt!
My Regards,
Norman.

[Roland_M]

Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

Hi Guys,
My thanks to all who participated in this thread, lessons have been learnt!
My Regards,
Norman.

Hello Norman,

the blade is a Montmorency type, with a big and a small fuller to add more stiffness to the blade. This type was pretty popular in the late 18th and early 19th century, the French Model 1822 as a mass produced saber for example. The blade is pattern welded steel, probably of european origin and could be up to 200 years or more old. Almost 100% not 20th ct..

Roland

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

1. How did you conclude it is an older blade? Or better said: define "older."
2. Where do you expect to find perfectly matching "historical" fittings?
3. What do you expect to achive by having the blade remounted?

Hi Marius,

for 1., when I see the pictures Norman has provided I would say that we see an antique blade, the patination and the lamination scructure I see that the blade is minimum end of 19th until very early 20th century. I know not enough to say from where this blade coming so this would be the first step to do research. For 2., when you find fitting mounts with a rotted blade maybe.
3. Norman has exactly what he has now, an old blade in not original mount, but now with all parts antique. And when Norman enjoy this exercise he will have learned a lot.
BTW, by how many of your blades you can be sure that all parts born together?

Regards,
Detlef