Kris Moro for coments

Battara · 2nd November 2016, 11:56 PM

Well Gustav, I must disagree with you here. Whether datu class blade or not, I have seen may blades with inlays exactly just like this. If a person becomes a datu by his people, I can see the blade changing to match by the addition of inlays later.

Gustav · 3rd November 2016, 12:26 AM

Jose, I would like to see a blade older the 1920ties where the central inlay field starts like this.

For comparison two blades with common position of central field.

Rick · 3rd November 2016, 01:51 AM

There seems to be a bit too much erosion around the gangya area/s compared to the rest of the blade; the Greneng features(Jawa) seem too indistinct; the same with the file work below the kembang kacang/Elephant trunk.
With that amount of erosion there I would expect the blade to show more pitting.

mariusgmioc · 3rd November 2016, 10:32 AM

Whether late 19 century or early 20 century, this Kris is certainly a genuine antique item. All the pieces of the Kris show signs of wear and age corresponding to a prolonged use and exitence, and they are consistent throughout the whole piece. Even the scabbard shows significant wear and age.

What is "Datu" class?!

Sajen · 3rd November 2016, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Whether late 19 century or early 20 century, this Kris is certainly a genuine antique item. All the pieces of the Kris show signs of wear and age corresponding to a prolonged use and exitence, and they are consistent throughout the whole piece. Even the scabbard shows significant wear and age.

What is "Datu" class?!

Hello Marius,

regarding the age, can you provide dimensions? I have no doubt that this is an old/antique piece and I think the most others also.

For "datu" look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datu

Regards,
Detlef

Gustav · 3rd November 2016, 01:28 PM

Old/antique yes, but I doubt it being 19th cent., and I have yet to see another blade with such configuration of inlay motifs. Which (for me) poses the question about all inlays being old/antique.

Sajen · 3rd November 2016, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustav

Old/antique yes, but I doubt it being 19th cent., and I have yet to see another blade with such configuration of inlay motifs. Which (for me) poses the question about all inlays being old/antique.

Hello Gustav,

regarding if it's a 19th century piece I've asked Marius for dimensions since a 19th century piece will be smaller as a 20th century kris. Regarding the inlays, it seems that the inlays are done before the grooves get carved in the blade, you can see this also by the both other kris you have provided pictures from.

Regards,
Detlef

3rd November 2016, 12:26 AM	#2
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Jose, I would like to see a blade older the 1920ties where the central inlay field starts like this. For comparison two blades with common position of central field. Attached Images

2nd November 2016, 11:56 PM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Well Gustav, I must disagree with you here. Whether datu class blade or not, I have seen may blades with inlays exactly just like this. If a person becomes a datu by his people, I can see the blade changing to match by the addition of inlays later.

3rd November 2016, 01:51 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	There seems to be a bit too much erosion around the gangya area/s compared to the rest of the blade; the Greneng features(Jawa) seem too indistinct; the same with the file work below the kembang kacang/Elephant trunk. With that amount of erosion there I would expect the blade to show more pitting.

3rd November 2016, 10:32 AM	#4
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,911	Whether late 19 century or early 20 century, this Kris is certainly a genuine antique item. All the pieces of the Kris show signs of wear and age corresponding to a prolonged use and exitence, and they are consistent throughout the whole piece. Even the scabbard shows significant wear and age. What is "Datu" class?!

3rd November 2016, 01:28 PM	#6
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Old/antique yes, but I doubt it being 19th cent., and I have yet to see another blade with such configuration of inlay motifs. Which (for me) poses the question about all inlays being old/antique.