Another pulwar. Comments?

Marcus · 29th October 2016, 12:13 AM

I'll have more to say and more picture after it arrives, which probably will not be for a couple weeks.

Marcus · 6th November 2016, 04:06 PM

I have the sword now. The blade does want some attention. It was in worse condition than shown in the vendor's pictures with a couple areas of red rust that I have attended to. I'll spend some more time with it next weekend. In the meantime, I have a question to put to the group.
Does anyone know the origin or significance to the tassel shaped finials on the quillons?

Jim McDougall · 6th November 2016, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus

I have the sword now. The blade does want some attention. It was in worse condition than shown in the vendor's pictures with a couple areas of red rust that I have attended to. I'll spend some more time with it next weekend. In the meantime, I have a question to put to the group.
Does anyone know the origin or significance to the tassel shaped finials on the quillons?

These quillon finials are rather distinctively characteristic of the 'paluoar' hilt form associated with Afghan regions, and actually despite their ultra stylized features, are not representative of tassels.
Actually they seem to recall early Ottoman influences, as often entwined with Central Asian traditional symbolisms which look often to Timurid origins.
These quillon terminals, though in many cases seen as stylized zoomorphic figures such as Makara or dragon heads, are described by David Alexander as representing pierced and lobed palmette tips.
( " The Silver Dragon and the Golden Fish: An Imperial Ottoman Symbol", Gladius, XXIII, 2003, fig.10,11; pp238-239).

It seems these might be considered equally Persian influences as filtered through Ottoman circumstances.

Marcus · 20th November 2016, 07:35 PM

I don't think this is a great match to the pulwar finials.

Jim McDougall · 20th November 2016, 10:17 PM

The quillons on your example are certainly not a match. Actually my reference to Alexander was not to suggest that it was identical to any particular illustration or example, but to note the discussion which talked about these downturned quillon terminals.
Clearly those on your example are so highly stylized it is difficult to discern what they might represent, but the reference was simply to serve as a benchmark.

rickystl · 20th November 2016, 10:57 PM

Very nice Marcus. My favorite sword style.

Rick

29th October 2016, 12:13 AM	#1
Marcus Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 420	Blade I'll have more to say and more picture after it arrives, which probably will not be for a couple weeks.

6th November 2016, 04:06 PM	#2
Marcus Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 420	tassels I have the sword now. The blade does want some attention. It was in worse condition than shown in the vendor's pictures with a couple areas of red rust that I have attended to. I'll spend some more time with it next weekend. In the meantime, I have a question to put to the group. Does anyone know the origin or significance to the tassel shaped finials on the quillons?

20th November 2016, 07:35 PM	#4
Marcus Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 420	Sword referenced by Alexander I don't think this is a great match to the pulwar finials. Attached Images

20th November 2016, 10:17 PM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,295	The quillons on your example are certainly not a match. Actually my reference to Alexander was not to suggest that it was identical to any particular illustration or example, but to note the discussion which talked about these downturned quillon terminals. Clearly those on your example are so highly stylized it is difficult to discern what they might represent, but the reference was simply to serve as a benchmark.

20th November 2016, 10:57 PM	#6
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,632	Very nice Marcus. My favorite sword style. Rick