Any Amazon collectors?

KuKulzA28 · 11th August 2016, 12:33 AM

Very nice aputu with an axe blade in it!

Really appreciate you guys posting these up, want one but vicariously it'll be for now

VANDOO · 24th August 2016, 09:29 PM

PICTURE #1. MACANA CLUB GUYANA OR BRAZIL.
#2. MACANA CLUB, 18TH. CENTURY, GUYANA, BRAZIL BORDER, 18.45 INCHES
OR 45.8 CM. LONG.
#3. MACANA , GUYANA OR BRAZIL
#4, #5. AND #6. IDENTIFIED AS A KAPAPO OR CARAJA CLUB, NORTH BRAZIL
, 41.5INCHES LONG.

Tim Simmons · 22nd September 2016, 04:04 PM

I am waiting for this Kayabi club. The picture is not the best but have been informed that all is sound and okay. It is a good size 112cm. More pictures on arrival.

VANDOO · 23rd September 2016, 09:54 PM

HERE IS A PALM WOOD SPEAR WITH A BONE TIP. IT IS SIMILAR TO SOME POSTED PREVIOUSLY ONE IS THE FIRST POST ON PAGE 2 OF THIS TOPIC.
#1. TWO METERS LONG, PALM WOOD, BONE POINT, FIBER WRAP WITH FEATHERS,BRAZIL, ARAGUAYA RIVER
TIM I LOOK FORWARD TO PICTURES OF THE NEW CLUB.

Tim Simmons · 16th October 2016, 08:25 AM

Update, not long now finally on the long journey to me. For the time being some interesting info on conflict in the early to mid 20th century.

https://pib.socioambiental.org/en/povo/kaiabi/273

Tim Simmons · 21st October 2016, 11:50 AM

I have it. Is nice. The only fly in the ointment is two screw hole damage where it has been mounted on a display board. I can sort that out. Made of a palm wood and stained black. 114 cm long. I wonder why, as with similar form clubs from different people of the same local, there is a carved concave curve to one side of the distal end? I suppose we will never know? I am showing it next to two Fijian clubs it illustrate the value for money Amazon clubs are. They may not have the collector desire glossy patina but there are a lot less of them.

VANDOO · 21st October 2016, 06:28 PM

NICE ONE TIM, I ESPECIALLY LIKE THAT THE WOVEN FIBER IS INTACT. AS TO THE CONCAVE SIDE AT THE CLUBS STRIKING END MANY TYPES OF PALM TREE HAVE A HARD OUTER PART TO THE TRUNK WITH A SOFTER INNER PART. THAT'S JUST THE OPPOSITE OF MOST HARD WOOD TREES WHICH ARE DICOTS. IF I AM CORRECT PALM TREES FALL INTO THE MONOCOT TYPE. IT COULD HAVE BEEN MADE THAT WAY TO USE FOR SCOOPING SOMETHING IF THEY USED WAR CLUBS FOR MULTI- PURPOSE TOOLS I MAY AS WELL LINK THE OTHER THREAD ON SOUTH AMERICAN CLUBS TO THIS ONE TOO.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21882

HERE ARE SOME PICTURES OF ANOTHER FORM OF SOUTH AMERICAN CLUB POSSIBLY FROM THE APARI OR WAYANA TRIBES. BRAZIL REGION ALONG THE PARU DE LESTE RIVER. A TYPE OF CLUB USED BY SHAMAN THE CLUB IS CALLED KAPARU.
#1. FIRST CLUB NOT MINE SIZE UNKNOWN BUT LIKELY OF SIMILAR AGE AND SIZE AS #2. .
#2, #3. MY CLUB 24 AND ONE QUARTER INCHES LONG CARVED DESIGNS BOTH SIDES, COTTON CORDS
#4. SIMILAR CLUB AND DESIGN MORE RECENT EXAMPLE WITH PIG TEETH ADDED AND PAINTED BLACK.MINE 29.5 INCHES LONG.
#5. & #6. COLLECTED FROM THE TRIBE ALONG THE PARU DE LESTE RIVER, 31 AND THREE QUARTERS INCH LONG, 6 IN. WIDE. LATE 1990'S FEATURED IN A DISPLAY AT THE SAINT LOUIS MUSEUM. I BOUGHT THE CLUB FROM THE COLLECTOR/ DEALER MR. GRIMM IN 2013. MR. GRIMM SUPPLIED QUITE A LOT OF MUSEUMS WITH THEIR COLLECTIONS AND DID SOME EXHIBITS AND AUCTIONED A LARGE AMOUNT OF SOUTH AMERICAN TRIBAL ITEMS. ARTEPRIMITIVO HAD SOME CATALOGS FULL OF A WIDE RANGE OF THE THINGS HE COLLECTED AND ARE A GOOD REFERENCE. HE WAS ROBBED AND KILLED IN BRAZIL AROUND 2014 ON HIS 93 RD. COLLECTING EXPEDITION. I LOST A FRIEND AND WE ALL LOST A TRUE EXPERT AND A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE AS WELL. HE WAS MARRIED TO A MEMBER OF THE YANAMO TRIBE AND HAD VISITED MANY VILLAGES AND TRIBES OVER THE YEARS. THE MOST DANGEROUS JUNGLES IN BRAZIL LIKE THE U.S.A. ARE THE CITIES AND THAT IS WHERE HE LOST HIS LIFE.

21st October 2016, 06:28 PM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	NICE ONE TIM, I ESPECIALLY LIKE THAT THE WOVEN FIBER IS INTACT. AS TO THE CONCAVE SIDE AT THE CLUBS STRIKING END MANY TYPES OF PALM TREE HAVE A HARD OUTER PART TO THE TRUNK WITH A SOFTER INNER PART. THAT'S JUST THE OPPOSITE OF MOST HARD WOOD TREES WHICH ARE DICOTS. IF I AM CORRECT PALM TREES FALL INTO THE MONOCOT TYPE. IT COULD HAVE BEEN MADE THAT WAY TO USE FOR SCOOPING SOMETHING IF THEY USED WAR CLUBS FOR MULTI- PURPOSE TOOLS I MAY AS WELL LINK THE OTHER THREAD ON SOUTH AMERICAN CLUBS TO THIS ONE TOO. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21882 HERE ARE SOME PICTURES OF ANOTHER FORM OF SOUTH AMERICAN CLUB POSSIBLY FROM THE APARI OR WAYANA TRIBES. BRAZIL REGION ALONG THE PARU DE LESTE RIVER. A TYPE OF CLUB USED BY SHAMAN THE CLUB IS CALLED KAPARU. #1. FIRST CLUB NOT MINE SIZE UNKNOWN BUT LIKELY OF SIMILAR AGE AND SIZE AS #2. . #2, #3. MY CLUB 24 AND ONE QUARTER INCHES LONG CARVED DESIGNS BOTH SIDES, COTTON CORDS #4. SIMILAR CLUB AND DESIGN MORE RECENT EXAMPLE WITH PIG TEETH ADDED AND PAINTED BLACK.MINE 29.5 INCHES LONG. #5. & #6. COLLECTED FROM THE TRIBE ALONG THE PARU DE LESTE RIVER, 31 AND THREE QUARTERS INCH LONG, 6 IN. WIDE. LATE 1990'S FEATURED IN A DISPLAY AT THE SAINT LOUIS MUSEUM. I BOUGHT THE CLUB FROM THE COLLECTOR/ DEALER MR. GRIMM IN 2013. MR. GRIMM SUPPLIED QUITE A LOT OF MUSEUMS WITH THEIR COLLECTIONS AND DID SOME EXHIBITS AND AUCTIONED A LARGE AMOUNT OF SOUTH AMERICAN TRIBAL ITEMS. ARTEPRIMITIVO HAD SOME CATALOGS FULL OF A WIDE RANGE OF THE THINGS HE COLLECTED AND ARE A GOOD REFERENCE. HE WAS ROBBED AND KILLED IN BRAZIL AROUND 2014 ON HIS 93 RD. COLLECTING EXPEDITION. I LOST A FRIEND AND WE ALL LOST A TRUE EXPERT AND A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE AS WELL. HE WAS MARRIED TO A MEMBER OF THE YANAMO TRIBE AND HAD VISITED MANY VILLAGES AND TRIBES OVER THE YEARS. THE MOST DANGEROUS JUNGLES IN BRAZIL LIKE THE U.S.A. ARE THE CITIES AND THAT IS WHERE HE LOST HIS LIFE. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 22nd October 2016 at 12:00 AM.

11th August 2016, 12:33 AM	#1
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	Very nice aputu with an axe blade in it! Really appreciate you guys posting these up, want one but vicariously it'll be for now

24th August 2016, 09:29 PM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	PICTURE #1. MACANA CLUB GUYANA OR BRAZIL. #2. MACANA CLUB, 18TH. CENTURY, GUYANA, BRAZIL BORDER, 18.45 INCHES OR 45.8 CM. LONG. #3. MACANA , GUYANA OR BRAZIL #4, #5. AND #6. IDENTIFIED AS A KAPAPO OR CARAJA CLUB, NORTH BRAZIL , 41.5INCHES LONG. Attached Images

22nd September 2016, 04:04 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,875	I am waiting for this Kayabi club. The picture is not the best but have been informed that all is sound and okay. It is a good size 112cm. More pictures on arrival. Attached Images

23rd September 2016, 09:54 PM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	HERE IS A PALM WOOD SPEAR WITH A BONE TIP. IT IS SIMILAR TO SOME POSTED PREVIOUSLY ONE IS THE FIRST POST ON PAGE 2 OF THIS TOPIC. #1. TWO METERS LONG, PALM WOOD, BONE POINT, FIBER WRAP WITH FEATHERS,BRAZIL, ARAGUAYA RIVER TIM I LOOK FORWARD TO PICTURES OF THE NEW CLUB. Attached Images

16th October 2016, 08:25 AM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,875	Update, not long now finally on the long journey to me. For the time being some interesting info on conflict in the early to mid 20th century. https://pib.socioambiental.org/en/povo/kaiabi/273 Last edited by Tim Simmons; 16th October 2016 at 08:37 AM.

21st October 2016, 11:50 AM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,875	I have it. Is nice. The only fly in the ointment is two screw hole damage where it has been mounted on a display board. I can sort that out. Made of a palm wood and stained black. 114 cm long. I wonder why, as with similar form clubs from different people of the same local, there is a carved concave curve to one side of the distal end? I suppose we will never know? I am showing it next to two Fijian clubs it illustrate the value for money Amazon clubs are. They may not have the collector desire glossy patina but there are a lot less of them. Attached Images