SOLO KRATON KERIS AUCTIONED / GIFT FROM JAVANESE ROYALS TO DUTCH BANKER

[asomotif]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

This selut style does exist in early seluts, but the one pictured here probably dates from at the very earliest, the 1970's.

The mendak could have been marked with the name in Jawa, it is very simple embossing work, and the Javanese craftsmen are some of the best in the world at this craft. But the question is why it was so marked. Personally I have not the slightest idea why.

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Here are 2 more pictures of the selut/mendak combi.

The selut looks recent to me as well.
And the mendak also looks like construction of not matching parts.
Original sorsorran and meniran . but the part with the inscription looks very western european in my opinion.

I would not be surprised if this was part of an office stamp used at the bank.

[asomotif]

Ps. the keris is of excellent forging. Proof is offered by this picture.
well forged keris appear to have a good balance and can stand alone.

any opinions on this balance story ?

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Ps. the keris is of excellent forging. Proof is offered by this picture.
well forged keris appear to have a good balance and can stand alone.

any opinions on this balance story ?

Theoretically you should be able to do this with every single keris. Didn't try it myself but it's basic physics completely independent from the quality of the Keris. You may check it out by rotating the handle so to be out of balance. You should be able to make it stand even with the handle rotated... albeit it will stand at a slight inclination angle.


PS: Now I tried it myself and couldn't make it stand whatsoever. And the seller showed me that it stands... Maybe one needs a steady hand.

I attached the Surakarta sultan crest

[David]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Ps. the keris is of excellent forging. Proof is offered by this picture.
well forged keris appear to have a good balance and can stand alone.

any opinions on this balance story ?

Sorry Willem, i can balance most keris regardless of the quality of the forging.

[Roland_M]

Originally Posted by asomotif

any opinions on this balance story ?

Yes, try it on a hard wooden surface.
With the carpet it is more wedged within the carpet with the scabbard as a kind of bearing.

Some keris are able to stand on wood or stone almost without the help of the scabbard. I really don't know, whether this is a sign of quality or not but I have one Keris, which stands on its tip almost by itself after few seconds.


Roland

[A. G. Maisey]

Its MAGIK!!!

And obviously very, very important.

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Its MAGIK!!!

And obviously very, very important.

Brilliant! Thank you!

[Rick]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Its MAGIK!!!

And obviously very, very important.

Earth Magick Alan.
Regular balancing of your kerises is important to ones chi you know...

[asomotif]

Originally Posted by Roland_M

Yes, try it on a hard wooden surface.
With the carpet it is more wedged within the carpet with the scabbard as a kind of bearing.

Some keris are able to stand on wood or stone almost without the help of the scabbard. I really don't know, whether this is a sign of quality or not but I have one Keris, which stands on its tip almost by itself after few seconds.


Roland

Maybe I will give it a try with a few of my keris.

I have only tried this in the past with a broom stick and with a broom stick it worked. based on that experience I fail to see the relation to good forging / quality.

[Roland_M]

Originally Posted by asomotif

based on that experience I fail to see the relation to good forging / quality.

Just a theory!!
A Keris, which stands easily on its tip is well balanced and this increases the value in a serious situation, provides a better feeling for the blade.

For Indonesians it is often very important, that the Keris stands on its tip easily and I think we all know not enough to laugh about it and put it in the empire of Esoteric.


Roland

[A. G. Maisey]

Comment withdrawn.

Why bother?

Years of talking about keris in this Forum and is there anybody who understands what we're talking about?

[David]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Comment withdrawn.

Why bother?

Years of talking about keris in this Forum and is there anybody who understands what we're talking about?

I have no comment here. Just wanted to re-post Alan's last comment.

[David]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Here are 2 more pictures of the selut/mendak combi.

The selut looks recent to me as well.
And the mendak also looks like construction of not matching parts.
Original sorsorran and meniran . but the part with the inscription looks very western european in my opinion.

I would not be surprised if this was part of an office stamp used at the bank.

Willem, i can only read parts of what is written around the mendak. Could you write it out for us. I see what looks like "Rotterdam" and then maybe "Weezenber" (???) but i can see there are more letters involved.

[asomotif]

Originally Posted by David

Willem, i can only read parts of what is written around the mendak. Could you write it out for us. I see what looks like "Rotterdam" and then maybe "Weezenber" (???) but i can see there are more letters involved.

Hello David,

* VAN WEEZENBEEK * ROTTERDAM