Please help me with translation

wolviex · 10th February 2006, 09:13 PM

Hi Brian!
Thank you for your efforts. I'm not surprise that cartouches were made with different hand. That what you can't see are other gold and silver incrustations: the bust of king Jan III Sobieski, date 1692, flags, mace, sabre - I believe symbols of Turkish trophies. The date could be wrongly remembered date of Pereryta battle or it's just without sense, or maybe it was somehow important for the owner. There is also silver Polish Eagle, so the sabre was replenished few times in different periods.
This example is in museum from 1903, before it was in one of the most famous Krakow's family collection. We don't know if it was purchased by this colector from someone or was it drop from his ancestors - two of them fought in Vienna in 1683.

wolviex · 2nd March 2006, 06:02 PM

*bump* ?

bj211 · 29th March 2006, 05:19 PM

Dear wolviex,

This is a beautiful piece, and to be honest, I saw it before,
This is written in Persian language, which unfortunately I can’t read.
But because it uses the same letters as Arabic, I managed to figure out one clear word in there Which is ShamShiri.

Henk · 29th March 2006, 08:05 PM

I'm very happy to see that bj211 joined the forum. Your knowledge of the arab language and your skill to identify the surrounding languages is very helpful for all of us.
Some time ago i posted pictures of a sword I picked up. The only comment was that it was a yathagan blade. Identified as a yathagan I asumed the writing on it could be ottoman. I asked somebody here in Holland who can read the old ottoman writing but she told me that she didn't recognized the writing as ottoman. She guessed the writing could be from India or Pakistan.
I attach the pictures again and I hope someone can tell me what it is and what kind of writing this is.

bj211 · 30th March 2006, 04:16 AM

dear Henk

bj211 · 30th March 2006, 04:23 AM

dear Henk

Henk · 30th March 2006, 12:44 PM

bj211,

First I wish to join into the remarks of the other members in the thread of Micheal's pedang. Your contributions to this forum gives another dimension to our hobby. I understand that the pictures are not clear enough. Besides that the blade is very pitted through rust.
I tried to write down the writing on a sheeth of paper and made two pictures of it so I gues one picture is upside down. I just coppied the writing on the paper with the sword in front of me.
Please would you be so kind to take another look at it? I would really apreciate it.

Thanks in advance, Henk

29th March 2006, 05:19 PM	#3
bj211 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 26	Dear wolviex, This is a beautiful piece, and to be honest, I saw it before, This is written in Persian language, which unfortunately I can’t read. But because it uses the same letters as Arabic, I managed to figure out one clear word in there Which is ShamShiri. Attached Images

29th March 2006, 08:05 PM	#4
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I'm very happy to see that bj211 joined the forum. Your knowledge of the arab language and your skill to identify the surrounding languages is very helpful for all of us. Some time ago i posted pictures of a sword I picked up. The only comment was that it was a yathagan blade. Identified as a yathagan I asumed the writing on it could be ottoman. I asked somebody here in Holland who can read the old ottoman writing but she told me that she didn't recognized the writing as ottoman. She guessed the writing could be from India or Pakistan. I attach the pictures again and I hope someone can tell me what it is and what kind of writing this is. Attached Images

30th March 2006, 04:23 AM	#6
bj211 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 26	dear Henk Attached Images

30th March 2006, 12:44 PM	#7
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	bj211, First I wish to join into the remarks of the other members in the thread of Micheal's pedang. Your contributions to this forum gives another dimension to our hobby. I understand that the pictures are not clear enough. Besides that the blade is very pitted through rust. I tried to write down the writing on a sheeth of paper and made two pictures of it so I gues one picture is upside down. I just coppied the writing on the paper with the sword in front of me. Please would you be so kind to take another look at it? I would really apreciate it. Thanks in advance, Henk Attached Images

10th February 2006, 09:13 PM	#1
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	Hi Brian! Thank you for your efforts. I'm not surprise that cartouches were made with different hand. That what you can't see are other gold and silver incrustations: the bust of king Jan III Sobieski, date 1692, flags, mace, sabre - I believe symbols of Turkish trophies. The date could be wrongly remembered date of Pereryta battle or it's just without sense, or maybe it was somehow important for the owner. There is also silver Polish Eagle, so the sabre was replenished few times in different periods. This example is in museum from 1903, before it was in one of the most famous Krakow's family collection. We don't know if it was purchased by this colector from someone or was it drop from his ancestors - two of them fought in Vienna in 1683.

2nd March 2006, 06:02 PM	#2
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	bump ?

30th March 2006, 04:16 AM	#5
bj211 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 26	dear Henk