naga keris with pamor miring

Rick · 29th July 2016, 05:38 PM

More miring...

I'm wondering if OP's keris has a core, or if it's just pamor material?

A. G. Maisey · 30th July 2016, 12:01 AM

Marius, the pendok is the real deal, not some sort of machine produced garbage. No idea how old it is, if its mamas (unlikely) its pre-WWII, if its brass with poor quality plate its pretty recent, but it was made by hand and in the same way that this type of pendok has been made for a very long time. It might also be white brass. But its real, and really pretty fair quality.

Same goes for the wrongko.

Mendak? ugh!

Blade? nice quality current production, probably no core, but then the very few old ones of these I've handled didn't have a core either.

Some pamor motifs cannot be produced with a core, like buntel mayat for instance --- well, that's an untrue statement, they can be produced with a core, but I've never seen one with a core, and I very much doubt that they ever were made with a core.

All in all, not a bad keris --- except for that disaster of a mendak --- but its not old. It is artistically not a bad effort.

Oh yeah, the dhapur is legitimate. Absolutely.

If one's taste is orientated to antiques it is obviously unacceptable.

If one's taste is orientated towards keris, and all that this implies, it is very acceptable.

Then of course we have the question of value difference between a current era production and an old example of something well made and rare:- this difference can be heart stopping.

David · 30th July 2016, 06:41 AM

I agree with Alan on this one regarding the dhapur. I have seen similar "uneven" luk dhapurs and in fact have an example (albeit a contemporary version) of such luk spacing in my own collection.
While i appreciate the effort artistically to some extent i am not particularly fond of the apparent lack of a core. While, as Alan points out, some blades such as buntel mayat tend to be coreless, this does not seem to be one where i would expect or desire a lack of a core.
But yes, this is most certainly modern production. Nothing wrong with that, but it is what it is.

mariusgmioc · 30th July 2016, 08:42 AM

Thank you Alan and David for the information!

Have a nice weekend!

Jean · 31st July 2016, 10:18 AM

Hello Donny,
This kris is for sale on EBay (Item N° 142069169654) which constitutes a violation of the rules of this forum!
Regards

mariusgmioc · 31st July 2016, 11:23 AM

Why do I have the feeling that this forum is being used for personal gain?!

Jean · 31st July 2016, 02:44 PM

May be Donny was not aware of this rule, I did not notice it myself on EBay but a friend did and communicated the ad to me. Let us wait what Donny and the moderators have to say.
Regards

Rick · 31st July 2016, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Why do I have the feeling that this forum is being used for personal gain?!

Thank you for the edit Marius.
Yes, people flogging new keris are sometimes a problem here.

29th July 2016, 05:38 PM	#1
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30th July 2016, 12:01 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Marius, the pendok is the real deal, not some sort of machine produced garbage. No idea how old it is, if its mamas (unlikely) its pre-WWII, if its brass with poor quality plate its pretty recent, but it was made by hand and in the same way that this type of pendok has been made for a very long time. It might also be white brass. But its real, and really pretty fair quality. Same goes for the wrongko. Mendak? ugh! Blade? nice quality current production, probably no core, but then the very few old ones of these I've handled didn't have a core either. Some pamor motifs cannot be produced with a core, like buntel mayat for instance --- well, that's an untrue statement, they can be produced with a core, but I've never seen one with a core, and I very much doubt that they ever were made with a core. All in all, not a bad keris --- except for that disaster of a mendak --- but its not old. It is artistically not a bad effort. Oh yeah, the dhapur is legitimate. Absolutely. If one's taste is orientated to antiques it is obviously unacceptable. If one's taste is orientated towards keris, and all that this implies, it is very acceptable. Then of course we have the question of value difference between a current era production and an old example of something well made and rare:- this difference can be heart stopping.

30th July 2016, 06:41 AM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	I agree with Alan on this one regarding the dhapur. I have seen similar "uneven" luk dhapurs and in fact have an example (albeit a contemporary version) of such luk spacing in my own collection. While i appreciate the effort artistically to some extent i am not particularly fond of the apparent lack of a core. While, as Alan points out, some blades such as buntel mayat tend to be coreless, this does not seem to be one where i would expect or desire a lack of a core. But yes, this is most certainly modern production. Nothing wrong with that, but it is what it is.

30th July 2016, 08:42 AM	#4
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,912	Thank you Alan and David for the information! Have a nice weekend!

31st July 2016, 10:18 AM	#5
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello Donny, This kris is for sale on EBay (Item N° 142069169654) which constitutes a violation of the rules of this forum! Regards

31st July 2016, 02:44 PM	#7
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	May be Donny was not aware of this rule, I did not notice it myself on EBay but a friend did and communicated the ad to me. Let us wait what Donny and the moderators have to say. Regards