Shilluk club

Wodimi · 25th July 2016, 11:29 AM

Dinka and Nuer is absolutely right. Shilluk clubs look quite different.

here Dinka: http://www.africanarms.com/alle-albe...4100-84344172/
and http://www.africanarms.com/alle-albe...100-105643443/

and here Shilluk: http://www.africanarms.com/alle-albe...4100-84346731/

I agree with the school learning :-)

Tim Simmons · 25th July 2016, 01:08 PM

I do not want to split hairs but the Pitt-Rivers has Shilluk examples along which the other mentioned peoples. Wodimi, great web site, one or two familiar pieces?

http://web.prm.ox.ac.uk/southernsuda...119/index.html
http://web.prm.ox.ac.uk/southernsuda...118/index.html
http://web.prm.ox.ac.uk/southernsuda....15/index.html

VANDOO · 25th July 2016, 05:44 PM

I KNOW VERY LITTLE OF AFRICAN CLUBS OR TRIBES SO WILL ASK PERHAPS A SILLY QUESTION. IS SCHILLUK A TRIBE OR PERHAPS A WORD USED TO DESCRIBE CLUBS IN GENERAL SORT OF LIKE WADI AND OTHER LIKE TERMS. THE DIFFERENCES SHOWN IN CLUB FORMS SOME CALLED DINKA AND OTHERS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT REFERRED TO AS SCHILLUK MAKE ME ASK.

NICE CLUBS BY THE WAY TIM.

kronckew · 25th July 2016, 08:59 PM

My dinka/shilluk club thread

the pitts river references seem to indicate they were mostly used as 'slave clubs' to discipline captives. not the most PC occupation nowadays. The Shilluk Kingdom was located along the banks of the White Nile river in modern South Sudan. Its capital and royal residence was in the town of Fashoda

Wodimi · 26th July 2016, 02:30 AM

Tim, sorry to say, but this Donald Gunn was wrong, or Pitt Rivers (where much stuff is wrong labeled). Gunn collected at Bor. A little town where you can't find only one Shilluk, they are more north. Bor is Dinka region.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shilluk_people
Capital town of the Shilluk Fashoda is right, it's today Kodok north from Malakal.
Here akso a good ethnic map http://mapeastafrica.com/wp-content/...UDYAREAETH.jpg .

Last not least a Dinka warrior in more modern times, but with his old club.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32977742@N08/3178521767

Tim Simmons · 26th July 2016, 06:55 AM

I'm liking it Wodimi. The trouble when revered institutions like Pitt-Rivers gets things wrong. The errors are perpetuated as staff come and go over time. The gravitas of the institution does not encourage revision or questioning.

Shilluk.

25th July 2016, 11:29 AM	#1
Wodimi Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 75	club from Sudan Dinka and Nuer is absolutely right. Shilluk clubs look quite different. here Dinka: http://www.africanarms.com/alle-albe...4100-84344172/ and http://www.africanarms.com/alle-albe...100-105643443/ and here Shilluk: http://www.africanarms.com/alle-albe...4100-84346731/ I agree with the school learning :-)

25th July 2016, 08:59 PM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	My dinka/shilluk club thread the pitts river references seem to indicate they were mostly used as 'slave clubs' to discipline captives. not the most PC occupation nowadays. The Shilluk Kingdom was located along the banks of the White Nile river in modern South Sudan. Its capital and royal residence was in the town of Fashoda Attached Images

26th July 2016, 02:30 AM	#5
Wodimi Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 75	Dinka club Tim, sorry to say, but this Donald Gunn was wrong, or Pitt Rivers (where much stuff is wrong labeled). Gunn collected at Bor. A little town where you can't find only one Shilluk, they are more north. Bor is Dinka region. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shilluk_people Capital town of the Shilluk Fashoda is right, it's today Kodok north from Malakal. Here akso a good ethnic map http://mapeastafrica.com/wp-content/...UDYAREAETH.jpg . Last not least a Dinka warrior in more modern times, but with his old club. https://www.flickr.com/photos/32977742@N08/3178521767

26th July 2016, 06:55 AM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,922	I'm liking it Wodimi. The trouble when revered institutions like Pitt-Rivers gets things wrong. The errors are perpetuated as staff come and go over time. The gravitas of the institution does not encourage revision or questioning. Shilluk. Attached Images

25th July 2016, 01:08 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,922	I do not want to split hairs but the Pitt-Rivers has Shilluk examples along which the other mentioned peoples. Wodimi, great web site, one or two familiar pieces? http://web.prm.ox.ac.uk/southernsuda...119/index.html http://web.prm.ox.ac.uk/southernsuda...118/index.html http://web.prm.ox.ac.uk/southernsuda....15/index.html

25th July 2016, 05:44 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I KNOW VERY LITTLE OF AFRICAN CLUBS OR TRIBES SO WILL ASK PERHAPS A SILLY QUESTION. IS SCHILLUK A TRIBE OR PERHAPS A WORD USED TO DESCRIBE CLUBS IN GENERAL SORT OF LIKE WADI AND OTHER LIKE TERMS. THE DIFFERENCES SHOWN IN CLUB FORMS SOME CALLED DINKA AND OTHERS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT REFERRED TO AS SCHILLUK MAKE ME ASK. NICE CLUBS BY THE WAY TIM.