what type of warangka of this kris

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by loyah

Thanks for the greetings guys,

I am aware that the forum members have very beautiful keris photos postings.
Sorry . I only have that one picture for reference for the time being,

I must say it almost 90% if not identical resembles the one that Gavin has in his collection. Rings / cincin on the sarong. Should have been that beauty under good hands.

This keris belonged to my ancestor. tracing the family lineage.. the warangka style maybe from Siak , riau , bangkinang to Minang.

almost similar style is keris kusriwa. which is said from kelantan malaysia

regards

Loyah

Loyah,

My initial searches in to this keris type origins lead me to Minang regions... but the more I looked, I also found similarities in Palembang carving too...so the more I looked, the less I knew.
Zonneveld, figure 205 is also from this group of keris, from the collection of WILLEN VAN DER POST.
Further discussions here, I am sure, in time, will reveal more about the specific origins.
To quote Robert Palmer, "Ooh, I'm looking for clues"

Gavin

[A. G. Maisey]

OK Gavin, lose two or gain two.

[ferrylaki]

i've never seen a keris panjang having tikel alis and sogokan like this before.
i'm fascinated and curious. this is a new experience for me

[Jean]

Originally Posted by ferrylaki

i've never seen a keris panjang having tikel alis and sogokan like this before.
i'm fascinated and curious. this is a new experience for me

Yeah, this keris panjang is different from the standard pieces from Bangkinang/ Riau from the blade (sogokan and tikel alis), the shape of the sampir (not dua hari bulan), the gandar with wide silver rings and a flat tip?, and the shape of the tapak kuda hilt. I visited Bukittinggi (Minang country) 20 years ago and remember to have seen some keris panjang with similar features (gandar with silver rings especially) so it may be correct to attribute the origin of this keris to this region.
Loyah, could you please tell us which is the area of origin of your ancestor?
Regards

[loyah]

Hi all, thanks for the input

Originally Posted by Jean

Loyah, could you please tell us which is the area of origin of your ancestor?

That is my intention. I'm from Negri Sembilan border to Malacca. In the 1700~1800 settlers from Minangkabau came to Negri Sembilan .

And There is also a saying " beraja ke Johor, bertali ke Siak dan bertuan ke Minangkabau". roughly means ~ the Kingdom is to Johore , family/ ties to Siak and to Lord to Minangkabau" (not a good English translation I think).

In one version the ancestors are from Johore, but the kris points otherwise.
The keris is family heirloom kept by a distant family member. Malays are quite protective of their family heirloom. that's why I have very limited access to the item. Need some kind of foundation to persuade them to explore family history.


Regards

[Jean]

Loyah,
Thank you for the interesting family history. A Malaysian origin also crossed my mind for this keris, may be some of our Malaysian members could comment on it?
Regards

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

OK Gavin, lose two or gain two.

Is safe Alan, it is an old display :-)