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Gustav · 14th July 2016, 08:52 PM

Actually the theory Francis Drake visited Bali goes back at least to 1724-27 (Franz Valentyn), according to Encyclopædia metropolitana (1845). It is possible, that Valentyn mixed up Drake and Houtman.

A. G. Maisey · 15th July 2016, 12:33 AM

Yes, Cornelis de Houtman did visit Bali in 1597. By all accounts it was a disaster of a voyage, however, although a disaster, it is also considered by many to be the beginning of the Dutch colonisation of The Indies.

I suppose it is possible that Francis Drake may have visited Bali in 1597, but if so, in spirit only. He died of dysentery in 1596.

Prior to your post Gustav, I doubt that I had ever heard of Valentyn, or of the Encyclopedia Metropolitana, but I did read Bawlf, and am aware of the criticism that his work drew from many people --- but not from me:- accepted in the spirit of Gavin Menzies, or even Erich von Danniken, "Secret Voyage" is entertaining reading.

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Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Actually the theory Francis Drake visited Bali goes back at least to 1724-27 (Franz Valentyn), according to Encyclopædia metropolitana (1845). It is possible, that Valentyn mixed up Drake and Houtman.

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A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Yes, Cornelis de Houtman did visit Bali in 1597. By all accounts it was a disaster of a voyage, however, although a disaster, it is also considered by many to be the beginning of the Dutch colonisation of The Indies. I suppose it is possible that Francis Drake may have visited Bali in 1597, but if so, in spirit only. He died of dysentery in 1596. Prior to your post Gustav, I doubt that I had ever heard of Valentyn, or of the Encyclopedia Metropolitana, but I did read Bawlf, and am aware of the criticism that his work drew from many people --- but not from me:- accepted in the spirit of Gavin Menzies, or even Erich von Danniken, "Secret Voyage" is entertaining reading.