Ivory Hilt Barong from Borneo

Battara · 24th June 2016, 03:41 PM

Ah..........I misunderstood.

I have to admit, I have not seen a datu class Borneo barong before.

So........perhaps the motifs on this barong may be typical of Borneo datu barongs, although of course one example does not make a pattern.

That being said, notice at the top of the pommel where the cut out silver is - that is closer to classic Moro floral motif.

Aslan Paladin · 24th June 2016, 09:36 PM

Yup, I see what you mean, the stylised vegetal Moro form which is in stark contrast with the more realistic depiction like that of Borneo, Sumatra or even Java. Hopefully more datu class barungs from Borneo will turn up in the future so that we can establish if there is indeed a defining characteristic to them aside from the scabbard style.

CharlesS · 25th June 2016, 04:52 PM

See revised post below.

CharlesS · 25th June 2016, 04:59 PM

To my eye the silver work on the pommel is not ALL necessarily born with it originally. I question most especially the mid-section silver band. The upper band appears to hide the joint where the pommel is attached. Among most Moro pieces this is done with ivory or horn inserts that are cut to allow for the curvature towards the pommel.

The ferrule, or lower bolster, is not the typical Moro type, that is for sure. I do worry a little bit about what I see as a residue(glue??) stain on it, and wonder if it was a working life or later replacement.

Most worrisome is the center piece. The band looks "machined" to me. Note the lower portion of it and you can see damage to the ivory and uncharacteristic staining, both above and below the band. Was this piece done to hide a broken ivory grip or a damaged one? Note also the staining or spill-over of some sort of residue(again...glue???) between the silver band and the silver cording at the lower portion of the mid section. Note, too, that the silver motifs are not a perfect match on any of the three silver bands, with the center one being most different. Look at the lines and how they are chiseled and how perfect they are... and aren't.

Also note the holes to the back of the grip...was something else there?...perhaps an open work band pinned on like the top one?? Is this a replacement for it? If so, poorly done, indeed.

Regarding the pommel, I would say it had at least been shortened(at the top) and am not sure it is not altogether a restoration considering the coloring of the top portion of it.

No doubt this is a lovely piece, but I think it has seen quite a bit of working life, or later, restoration...or perhaps a combination of the two. I wonder if the top(silver pins still present) and bottom silver bands are original, and the middle one later. Those two come the closest to matching and showing the same type of work.

Aslan Paladin · 25th June 2016, 09:22 PM

It is possible that there have been restorations on this piece as you have pointed out. By the way there were two other swords in the same auction which I believe are Moro kris swords that have been altered by being fitted with Balinese keris hilts. I just don't know if there is some connection.

Battara · 25th June 2016, 11:33 PM

Oh I totally agree with you Charles. I too would say that all of the mounts were made more recently.

Looking at the way the flat bands were made, they were done in thicker silver, and not traditionally hand made. However, the ferrule looks more hand made and may be original.

I would also say the same of the woven silver bands. Although they are twisted silver, Sulu region Moros had a specialty of interweaving the twisted wire, using a smaller wire thickness.

Charles I also see your point regarding the terminal tail - looks cut off.

Battara · 25th June 2016, 11:47 PM

Aslan Paladin, regarding your question of the Moro blades with Bali hilts.

I would submit that later owners who were world travelers or even un-educated collectors bought these Balinese keris hilts (which would more easily fit a Moro tang than a Javanese keris hilt) and mated them to Moro blades.

There are even some collectors (and dealers) who don't bother to make a difference between Indonesian keris and Moro kris (and Malay sundang).

25th June 2016, 04:59 PM	#4
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	To my eye the silver work on the pommel is not ALL necessarily born with it originally. I question most especially the mid-section silver band. The upper band appears to hide the joint where the pommel is attached. Among most Moro pieces this is done with ivory or horn inserts that are cut to allow for the curvature towards the pommel. The ferrule, or lower bolster, is not the typical Moro type, that is for sure. I do worry a little bit about what I see as a residue(glue??) stain on it, and wonder if it was a working life or later replacement. Most worrisome is the center piece. The band looks "machined" to me. Note the lower portion of it and you can see damage to the ivory and uncharacteristic staining, both above and below the band. Was this piece done to hide a broken ivory grip or a damaged one? Note also the staining or spill-over of some sort of residue(again...glue???) between the silver band and the silver cording at the lower portion of the mid section. Note, too, that the silver motifs are not a perfect match on any of the three silver bands, with the center one being most different. Look at the lines and how they are chiseled and how perfect they are... and aren't. Also note the holes to the back of the grip...was something else there?...perhaps an open work band pinned on like the top one?? Is this a replacement for it? If so, poorly done, indeed. Regarding the pommel, I would say it had at least been shortened(at the top) and am not sure it is not altogether a restoration considering the coloring of the top portion of it. No doubt this is a lovely piece, but I think it has seen quite a bit of working life, or later, restoration...or perhaps a combination of the two. I wonder if the top(silver pins still present) and bottom silver bands are original, and the middle one later. Those two come the closest to matching and showing the same type of work. Last edited by CharlesS; 25th June 2016 at 09:21 PM.

25th June 2016, 09:22 PM	#5
Aslan Paladin Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Te Aroha, New Zealand Posts: 122	It is possible that there have been restorations on this piece as you have pointed out. By the way there were two other swords in the same auction which I believe are Moro kris swords that have been altered by being fitted with Balinese keris hilts. I just don't know if there is some connection. Attached Images

24th June 2016, 03:41 PM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	Ah..........I misunderstood. I have to admit, I have not seen a datu class Borneo barong before. So........perhaps the motifs on this barong may be typical of Borneo datu barongs, although of course one example does not make a pattern. That being said, notice at the top of the pommel where the cut out silver is - that is closer to classic Moro floral motif.

24th June 2016, 09:36 PM	#2
Aslan Paladin Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Te Aroha, New Zealand Posts: 122	Yup, I see what you mean, the stylised vegetal Moro form which is in stark contrast with the more realistic depiction like that of Borneo, Sumatra or even Java. Hopefully more datu class barungs from Borneo will turn up in the future so that we can establish if there is indeed a defining characteristic to them aside from the scabbard style.

25th June 2016, 04:52 PM	#3
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	See revised post below.

25th June 2016, 11:33 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	Oh I totally agree with you Charles. I too would say that all of the mounts were made more recently. Looking at the way the flat bands were made, they were done in thicker silver, and not traditionally hand made. However, the ferrule looks more hand made and may be original. I would also say the same of the woven silver bands. Although they are twisted silver, Sulu region Moros had a specialty of interweaving the twisted wire, using a smaller wire thickness. Charles I also see your point regarding the terminal tail - looks cut off.

25th June 2016, 11:47 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	Aslan Paladin, regarding your question of the Moro blades with Bali hilts. I would submit that later owners who were world travelers or even un-educated collectors bought these Balinese keris hilts (which would more easily fit a Moro tang than a Javanese keris hilt) and mated them to Moro blades. There are even some collectors (and dealers) who don't bother to make a difference between Indonesian keris and Moro kris (and Malay sundang).