Ear dagger

messia · 17th June 2016, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CSinTX

In my opinion, I think it's a modern build with imitation ageing applied.

after this photos are not changed for your opinion?

Roland_M · 17th June 2016, 12:56 PM

Hi Messia,

The state of corrosion seems natural to me. Otherwise it is the very best artificial aging I ever saw. I don't believe in artificial aging, because it would be pretty unusual for european blades.
It also make no sense, to age the blade but not the hilt.
I tend to believe it is a 19th century work.

If you can find traces of laminating, the blade could be from 15th century. But this is almost impossible to judge from the pictures only.

I added two pictures of genuine ear daggers.

They are a clear evidence, that one cannot judge the age of a blade from its state of corrosion!

Roland

corrado26 · 17th June 2016, 02:23 PM

I found the mark on the blade in " Wendelin Boeheim, Handbuch der Waffenkunde". But it might be difficult to decide wether it is an original mark or a fake............
corrado26

Reventlov · 17th June 2016, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by corrado26

I found the mark on the blade in " Wendelin Boeheim, Handbuch der Waffenkunde". But it might be difficult to decide wether it is an original mark or a fake............

This mark (or one very close to it) definitely appears on a few halberds... is that the context that Boeheim gives? Cannot say that I have seen it on a dagger before.

Solothurn
Philadelphia

ulfberth · 19th June 2016, 09:59 AM

Hello Messia,
Dear All,

I have taken some detailed pictures of the pitting of this dagger and added a sword pommel , that has in my view has the same kind of pitting.
Does anyone have a different view or do we see similar pitting in all pics.
Just added a blade with different more profound pitting.

Thanks in advance for your comments

Ulfberth

Reventlov · 19th June 2016, 04:12 PM

A similar mark is also reported to be on a 17th century rapier and the breastplate of a Maximilian armour, both from the former collection of Karl Gimbel. A strange assortment...

Sajen · 20th June 2016, 09:07 AM

Here is one I have in my picture archive. I think that the one in question is an original antique piece and very nice!

Regards,
Detlef

17th June 2016, 12:56 PM	#2
Roland_M Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Germany Posts: 525	Hi Messia, The state of corrosion seems natural to me. Otherwise it is the very best artificial aging I ever saw. I don't believe in artificial aging, because it would be pretty unusual for european blades. It also make no sense, to age the blade but not the hilt. I tend to believe it is a 19th century work. If you can find traces of laminating, the blade could be from 15th century. But this is almost impossible to judge from the pictures only. I added two pictures of genuine ear daggers. They are a clear evidence, that one cannot judge the age of a blade from its state of corrosion! Roland Attached Images

17th June 2016, 02:23 PM	#3
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,240	I found the mark on the blade in " Wendelin Boeheim, Handbuch der Waffenkunde". But it might be difficult to decide wether it is an original mark or a fake............ corrado26 Attached Images

19th June 2016, 09:59 AM	#5
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 439	Hello Messia, Dear All, I have taken some detailed pictures of the pitting of this dagger and added a sword pommel , that has in my view has the same kind of pitting. Does anyone have a different view or do we see similar pitting in all pics. Just added a blade with different more profound pitting. Thanks in advance for your comments Ulfberth Attached Images Last edited by ulfberth; 19th June 2016 at 10:24 AM.

19th June 2016, 04:12 PM	#6
Reventlov Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 141	A similar mark is also reported to be on a 17th century rapier and the breastplate of a Maximilian armour, both from the former collection of Karl Gimbel. A strange assortment... Attached Images

20th June 2016, 09:07 AM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,409	Here is one I have in my picture archive. I think that the one in question is an original antique piece and very nice! Regards, Detlef Attached Images