Medieval sword of type XIII A with with latten-inlaid decorations

Cerjak · 21st May 2016, 06:15 PM

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Cerjak · 21st May 2016, 07:10 PM

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Cerjak · 21st May 2016, 07:31 PM

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Cerjak · 24th May 2016, 10:06 AM

latten inlaid

fernando · 24th May 2016, 12:02 PM

Magnificent sword, Jean-Luc.
I wish i could spot marks similar to those, but ...

Cerjak · 24th May 2016, 03:53 PM

Hi Fernando,

Thank you for your kind comment,for the star I have found a similar on one medieval blade ( see http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=20883
Best

Jean-Luc

Jim McDougall · 24th May 2016, 06:03 PM

Hi Jean Luc,
Beautiful great sword!!! and for all I can see, in my opinion this may well be a Passau sword, and of the period you suggest. These latten markings could well have been punched in later, but certainly later in the 15th into 16th as the markings comparable I have seen date slightly later.
The 'heart' and cross was a known Passau inlay (Cronau, 1885 p.18; Kinman p.65) end of 15th c. but the heart was usually inverted from the cross.

The encircled cross is the cross crosslet it seems was earlier use and by the 15th century the cross fourchee encircled was more commonly seen. This cross form may well have been used anachronistically or aligned more with specific conventions such as order or other imbuement.

The 'star' is not really a star but appears an interpretation on the 'pi' marks used in Milan early, actually a crown atop two 'tails'. This is of course a highly stylized version, but these kinds of stylizations (common on latten inlays) were known used by Stantlers around early 16thc .

While the early 16th century seems late for these types of swords, it is noted that the forms often remained in use well after the period used in the classifications and forms could remain in use concurrently and transcending those guidelines. Thus more accurate dating is difficult based on style or even these markings which as noted might have been set later.

fernando · 24th May 2016, 06:30 PM

If Jasper came around i bet he might wish to add some conclusions on both sword and marks

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fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Magnificent sword, Jean-Luc. I wish i could spot marks similar to those, but ...

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Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Hi Fernando, Thank you for your kind comment,for the star I have found a similar on one medieval blade ( see http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=20883 Best Jean-Luc

24th May 2016, 06:03 PM	#7
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,663	Hi Jean Luc, Beautiful great sword!!! and for all I can see, in my opinion this may well be a Passau sword, and of the period you suggest. These latten markings could well have been punched in later, but certainly later in the 15th into 16th as the markings comparable I have seen date slightly later. The 'heart' and cross was a known Passau inlay (Cronau, 1885 p.18; Kinman p.65) end of 15th c. but the heart was usually inverted from the cross. The encircled cross is the cross crosslet it seems was earlier use and by the 15th century the cross fourchee encircled was more commonly seen. This cross form may well have been used anachronistically or aligned more with specific conventions such as order or other imbuement. The 'star' is not really a star but appears an interpretation on the 'pi' marks used in Milan early, actually a crown atop two 'tails'. This is of course a highly stylized version, but these kinds of stylizations (common on latten inlays) were known used by Stantlers around early 16thc . While the early 16th century seems late for these types of swords, it is noted that the forms often remained in use well after the period used in the classifications and forms could remain in use concurrently and transcending those guidelines. Thus more accurate dating is difficult based on style or even these markings which as noted might have been set later.

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fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	If Jasper came around i bet he might wish to add some conclusions on both sword and marks .