Javanese Fighting Short Sword ?

kronckew · 12th May 2016, 11:29 AM

the dutch preferred clip pointed swords and sabres, the smithies of the then dutch east indies made a number of klewangs, swords, etc. for the dutch of various types. the dutch 'hembrug' klewang made for the military police in the dutch east indies is discussed in many threads here.

my dutchie, a european style hunting sword from the area and a native sword from borneo as examples discussed before.

Miguel · 13th May 2016, 07:44 PM

Thanks folks for your comments and thanks Kronckew for sharing the photos of your Dutch swords, they are very nice pieces.

So my weapon is Javanese but is it a fighting short sword or what?

Regards
Miguel

David · 13th May 2016, 09:13 PM

It looks more like a machete/jungle knife to me, though i don't often see them with fullers. Still, this looks more like a tool than a weapon to me. It isn't in the form of any traditional Javanese weapon i am aware of and the design of the blade seems more European influenced than local to that area.

kronckew · 13th May 2016, 09:21 PM

they are of course, general purpose tools, hunting, food prep, chopping wood, or people as needed. clipped points and fullers are more 'european' but also more likely found on large knives intended to have a fighting capability. possibly made for a european resident's desires rather than a traditional local.

CharlesS · 13th May 2016, 09:37 PM

While all blades can be potentially used as weapons, the length and style described/shown in the original pic suggests to me more of a golok or "tool" type blade, thus agreeing with David. It is almost certainly dates to the last half of the 20th century.

Sajen · 14th May 2016, 09:42 AM

Agree with Charles and David, a Javanese golok from the second half of the 20th century.

Regards,
Detlef

Miguel · 16th May 2016, 08:12 PM

Thanks very much for your comments they are greatly appreciated and from them the consensus would appear to be that my fighting short sword is a general tool called a Golok which to me makes more sense. Thanks again for the input.
Regards
Miguel

12th May 2016, 11:29 AM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	the dutch preferred clip pointed swords and sabres, the smithies of the then dutch east indies made a number of klewangs, swords, etc. for the dutch of various types. the dutch 'hembrug' klewang made for the military police in the dutch east indies is discussed in many threads here. my dutchie, a european style hunting sword from the area and a native sword from borneo as examples discussed before. Attached Images

13th May 2016, 07:44 PM	#2
Miguel Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 584	Thanks folks for your comments and thanks Kronckew for sharing the photos of your Dutch swords, they are very nice pieces. So my weapon is Javanese but is it a fighting short sword or what? Regards Miguel

13th May 2016, 09:13 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	It looks more like a machete/jungle knife to me, though i don't often see them with fullers. Still, this looks more like a tool than a weapon to me. It isn't in the form of any traditional Javanese weapon i am aware of and the design of the blade seems more European influenced than local to that area.

13th May 2016, 09:21 PM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	they are of course, general purpose tools, hunting, food prep, chopping wood, or people as needed. clipped points and fullers are more 'european' but also more likely found on large knives intended to have a fighting capability. possibly made for a european resident's desires rather than a traditional local.

13th May 2016, 09:37 PM	#5
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	While all blades can be potentially used as weapons, the length and style described/shown in the original pic suggests to me more of a *golok* or "tool" type blade, thus agreeing with David. It is almost certainly dates to the last half of the 20th century.

14th May 2016, 09:42 AM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,212	Agree with Charles and David, a Javanese golok from the second half of the 20th century. Regards, Detlef

16th May 2016, 08:12 PM	#7
Miguel Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 584	Thanks very much for your comments they are greatly appreciated and from them the consensus would appear to be that my fighting short sword is a general tool called a Golok which to me makes more sense. Thanks again for the input. Regards Miguel