Pendongkok Keris Makassar/Gowa(?)

Gustav · 1st May 2016, 10:41 PM

Local variants of this kind of Mendak/Selut are found also in North-Sumatra (Gayo) with Bawar hilts, which resemble early planar Javanese hilts, which possibly also are the source for Nias planar hilts:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=bawar

Gustav · 1st May 2016, 10:55 PM

The one from "Javanese Gold", Hunter Thompson collection. Who knows, if it really is coming from Java. If it is, it could be a hint to the possibility, that the refined aristocratic hilt figures could have been made after a Javanese model, or some of better workmanship even are made in Java.

Gustav · 1st May 2016, 10:58 PM

And one from Tropenmuseum, found or acquired on Bali (which says not much about the real or possible origin) :

David · 1st May 2016, 11:50 PM

Gustav, thanks for posting the example from Old Javanese Gold. I was just coming here to do the same.
Just for further clarification, there is a somewhat different description of this ring in the actual book which provides additional information on its possible origins.
"This kris hilt fragment comes from the island of Ternate in eastern Indonesia, rather than Java, but it is highly similar to Javanese workmanship, the repoussé on the upper face are especially comparable to to those on Javanese anklets..."
Ternate is quite a distance away from Jawa off North Maluku.

Rick · 2nd May 2016, 02:33 AM

I don't have the book.
Originates from; or was found, David?

David · 2nd May 2016, 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

I don't have the book.
Originates from; or was found, David?

The information is a quote from the book Rick. I'm afraid i know no more.

rasdan · 2nd May 2016, 04:46 PM

I've also been contemplating to do that Battara!

I didn't notice that Gayo keris also uses selut Gustav. Very interesting!

It seems that this selut/pendongkok were found where ever the Bugis sets foot on.

From Sulawesi, Ternate, Bali and the Malay Peninsula. So, it is probably safe to assume that this style of selut is probably Sulawesi style since we also have a dated example above form 1749 which is a keris with Sulawesi dress.

Anybody know why the rubies in the metal detector selut are oddly and shaped? The shapes are different form each other it looks like naturally formed?

1st May 2016, 10:41 PM	#1
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Local variants of this kind of Mendak/Selut are found also in North-Sumatra (Gayo) with Bawar hilts, which resemble early planar Javanese hilts, which possibly also are the source for Nias planar hilts: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=bawar Attached Images Last edited by Gustav; 1st May 2016 at 11:05 PM.

1st May 2016, 10:55 PM	#2
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	The one from "Javanese Gold", Hunter Thompson collection. Who knows, if it really is coming from Java. If it is, it could be a hint to the possibility, that the refined aristocratic hilt figures could have been made after a Javanese model, or some of better workmanship even are made in Java. Attached Images

1st May 2016, 10:58 PM	#3
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	And one from Tropenmuseum, found or acquired on Bali (which says not much about the real or possible origin) : Attached Images

1st May 2016, 11:50 PM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,230	Gustav, thanks for posting the example from Old Javanese Gold. I was just coming here to do the same. Just for further clarification, there is a somewhat different description of this ring in the actual book which provides additional information on its possible origins. "This kris hilt fragment comes from the island of Ternate in eastern Indonesia, rather than Java, but it is highly similar to Javanese workmanship, the repoussé on the upper face are especially comparable to to those on Javanese anklets..." Ternate is quite a distance away from Jawa off North Maluku. Attached Images Last edited by David; 2nd May 2016 at 05:47 AM. Reason: correct spelling

2nd May 2016, 02:33 AM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,348	I don't have the book. Originates from; or was found, David?

2nd May 2016, 04:46 PM	#7
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 369	I've also been contemplating to do that Battara! I didn't notice that Gayo keris also uses selut Gustav. Very interesting! It seems that this selut/pendongkok were found where ever the Bugis sets foot on. From Sulawesi, Ternate, Bali and the Malay Peninsula. So, it is probably safe to assume that this style of selut is probably Sulawesi style since we also have a dated example above form 1749 which is a keris with Sulawesi dress. Anybody know why the rubies in the metal detector selut are oddly and shaped? The shapes are different form each other it looks like naturally formed?