Javanese keris for comment

nechesh · 12th January 2005, 01:21 AM

I am inclined to follow Empu Kumis' lead here. Even though i was willing to concede to an earlier 20thC date as this type of keris has been made in Madura since at least then, i believe E.K.'s expertise in this matter is certainly far greater than mine. I thank you for your detailed explanation as to why you date this keris as you do. This is just the type of information that is often lacking in people's assessments and is crucial to our understanding and learning of this very complex subject.
All other terms are clear to me, but i am still not quite clear on pudak sategal.

BTW, i understand E.K. holds keris to a very high standard. I still think this is a nice keris, it is just not a kraton piece.

Rick · 12th January 2005, 01:26 AM

Agreed !
Very well executed work .

DAHenkel · 12th January 2005, 03:01 AM

Thank you Empu Kumis for once again teaching us all on the subject of Javanese blades.

Just to add - the garap of this piece is only average in my opinion and while the pamor is above average for a tangguh Madura Muda piece it is not exceptional. The quality of newly produced kerises has improved over the last 2 decades but it is still not as good as it had been.

You will also notice that the keris is incorrectly dressed. The wrangka is gayaman Surakarta while the hilt is Yogyakarta.

No offense to the owner intended. Its not a bad keris per-se, but its not a great one either.

Ria · 12th January 2005, 03:38 AM

Hi all,
Hi Dave,

What about this one? Newly made made from Madura. Overall the pamor looks good to me.

Ria,

DAHenkel · 12th January 2005, 10:31 AM

Ria's keris is a better quality piece than the previous one but is still not a first rate piece.

If you want to know a bit more about why, I suggest you go back and read through the two magnum opus threads "What Constitutes a Good Keris."

12th January 2005, 03:38 AM	#4
Ria Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 14	Newly Made Keris From Madura Hi all, Hi Dave, What about this one? Newly made made from Madura. Overall the pamor looks good to me. Ria, Attached Images

12th January 2005, 01:21 AM	#1
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	I am inclined to follow Empu Kumis' lead here. Even though i was willing to concede to an earlier 20thC date as this type of keris has been made in Madura since at least then, i believe E.K.'s expertise in this matter is certainly far greater than mine. I thank you for your detailed explanation as to why you date this keris as you do. This is just the type of information that is often lacking in people's assessments and is crucial to our understanding and learning of this very complex subject. All other terms are clear to me, but i am still not quite clear on pudak sategal. BTW, i understand E.K. holds keris to a very high standard. I still think this is a nice keris, it is just not a kraton piece.

12th January 2005, 01:26 AM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,365	Agreed ! Very well executed work .

12th January 2005, 03:01 AM	#3
DAHenkel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 125	Thank you Empu Kumis for once again teaching us all on the subject of Javanese blades. Just to add - the garap of this piece is only average in my opinion and while the pamor is above average for a tangguh Madura Muda piece it is not exceptional. The quality of newly produced kerises has improved over the last 2 decades but it is still not as good as it had been. You will also notice that the keris is incorrectly dressed. The wrangka is gayaman Surakarta while the hilt is Yogyakarta. No offense to the owner intended. Its not a bad keris per-se, but its not a great one either.

12th January 2005, 10:31 AM	#5
DAHenkel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 125	Ria's keris is a better quality piece than the previous one but is still not a first rate piece. If you want to know a bit more about why, I suggest you go back and read through the two magnum opus threads "What Constitutes a Good Keris."