Inscription on tulwar help!

mariusgmioc · 16th April 2016, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by AkaaliSingh

Hi all , here is a gold indian tulwar i own with a persian blade.. can anyone through more light to this sword? I also need help with the inscription that is on the blade. Can anybody help with the translation please?

thank you!

This looks like a typical Persian Shamshir wootz blade with a new Tulwar hilt.

Can you see any wootz watering anywhere on the blade? This would be very important because this type of blade, with this type of inscription if it is genuine, it must be wootz. If it is not wootz, then I suspect a fake.

Have you considered etching it?

I wouldn't be surprised if the marking reads "Assad Allah" or "Kalb Ali."

PS: I can bet the gold koftgari on the hilt, or the whole hilt itself, is recent production (koftgari is very sensitive and there is no way it can last practically intact on the hilt of a functional sword). I have seen recent Indian Tulwars with almost identical hilts, and I have seen some with PAINTED "koftagari" that look suspiciously similar to yours.

Just check out this link at another thread on this site and you will get a better idea of what I mean:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3168

AJ1356 · 18th April 2016, 03:31 AM

The top one read Nasr u menAllah wa fathun qarib. and the second one reads, Tawakal tu 'alAllah.
The blade looks to be form 1700's or later, from anywhere west of India can't say for sure. However it is common to find shamshir blades with later talwar hilts.

ariel · 18th April 2016, 04:34 AM

I am sure that the handle, while newer than the blade, is not new in absolute terms. Just exceptionally well -preserved. 19 cen the latest.

mariusgmioc · 19th April 2016, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ariel

I am sure that the handle, while newer than the blade, is not new in absolute terms. Just exceptionally well -preserved. 19 cen the latest.

Maybe you are right, and I hope you are, but I suggest you read the thread I posted recently about fake Koftgari.

estcrh · 19th April 2016, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Maybe you are right, and I hope you are, but I suggest you read the thread I posted recently about fake Koftgari.

Very interesting info on new koftgari, it really makes me wonder about this hilt.

18th April 2016, 04:34 AM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I am sure that the handle, while newer than the blade, is not new in absolute terms. Just exceptionally well -preserved. 19 cen the latest. Last edited by ariel; 18th April 2016 at 01:14 PM.

18th April 2016, 03:31 AM	#2
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 317	The top one read Nasr u menAllah wa fathun qarib. and the second one reads, Tawakal tu 'alAllah. The blade looks to be form 1700's or later, from anywhere west of India can't say for sure. However it is common to find shamshir blades with later talwar hilts.