19thc Indo-Persian or 20thc tourist?

Kubur · 11th April 2016, 09:26 PM

Hi Harry,

I agree with all the things said above, the blade, Tourist and not fake...
I think you should give us more pictures of the blade and inscriptions.

Best,
Kubur

Kubur · 11th April 2016, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi Harry,

I agree with all the things said above, the blade, Tourist and not fake...
I think you should give us more pictures of the blade and inscriptions.

Best,
Kubur

I zoomed on the blade and I'm almost sure that's not Arabic, it's an attempt to look like but it's not Arabic. It's probably the same for the stamp...

Bob A · 11th April 2016, 10:10 PM

Brass fittings are deliberately worn down to appear old, but it's done too evenly.
Blade is far too new, with no real signs of age equivalent to the rest of the package.
I can't speak to origin, but it appears to me as a deliberate attempt to mislead.

harrywagner · 11th April 2016, 10:14 PM

Possibly. It might be one of the many Indian languages and not Arabic at all, or a combination of the two. I will post some better photos later today.

I consider an item a fake when it pretends to be something it is not (fake Rolex, newly manufactured "antique", etc.). And I agree that price can be a factor in determining if an item is a fake or real. However, I would excersise caution there. Enough people counterfeit $20 bills these days that many cashiers examine them before accepting them.

harrywagner · 12th April 2016, 12:50 AM

Hopefully these are better. Here is how the seller described it:

"5 3/8 curved d.e. blade. The front with large chiseled panel incorporating numerous Arabic or Hindi characters, likely identifying the owner and date. Reverse with crisp maker's mark. One piece horn hilt with white metal mounts. Black leather covered scabbard with matching WM mounts".

If it is a tourist item wouldn't you expect to see others similar to this occasionally? They would not make just one, right?

A.alnakkas · 12th April 2016, 05:06 AM

Yes that's not Arabic but obviously who ever wrote it tried to make it seem Arabic. I also think this piece is a tourist piece.

Robert · 12th April 2016, 06:11 AM

I hate to say it, but just by looking at the overall fit and finish of this piece I must also agree that it is a tourist piece. JMHO

Best,
Robert

harrywagner · 12th April 2016, 11:49 AM

Thanks everyone. Comments appreciated.

12th April 2016, 12:50 AM	#5
harrywagner Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 373	Hopefully these are better. Here is how the seller described it: "5 3/8 curved d.e. blade. The front with large chiseled panel incorporating numerous Arabic or Hindi characters, likely identifying the owner and date. Reverse with crisp maker's mark. One piece horn hilt with white metal mounts. Black leather covered scabbard with matching WM mounts". If it is a tourist item wouldn't you expect to see others similar to this occasionally? They would not make just one, right? Attached Images

11th April 2016, 09:26 PM	#1
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Harry, I agree with all the things said above, the blade, Tourist and not fake... I think you should give us more pictures of the blade and inscriptions. Best, Kubur

11th April 2016, 10:10 PM	#3
Bob A Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 443	Brass fittings are deliberately worn down to appear old, but it's done too evenly. Blade is far too new, with no real signs of age equivalent to the rest of the package. I can't speak to origin, but it appears to me as a deliberate attempt to mislead.

11th April 2016, 10:14 PM	#4
harrywagner Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 373	Possibly. It might be one of the many Indian languages and not Arabic at all, or a combination of the two. I will post some better photos later today. I consider an item a fake when it pretends to be something it is not (fake Rolex, newly manufactured "antique", etc.). And I agree that price can be a factor in determining if an item is a fake or real. However, I would excersise caution there. Enough people counterfeit $20 bills these days that many cashiers examine them before accepting them.

12th April 2016, 05:06 AM	#6
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Yes that's not Arabic but obviously who ever wrote it tried to make it seem Arabic. I also think this piece is a tourist piece.

12th April 2016, 06:11 AM	#7
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	I hate to say it, but just by looking at the overall fit and finish of this piece I must also agree that it is a tourist piece. JMHO Best, Robert

12th April 2016, 11:49 AM	#8
harrywagner Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 373	Thanks everyone. Comments appreciated.