Identification help needed

[Jim McDougall]

Martin, after that thrilling romp through deductive reasoning (wearing my deer stalker hat and pipe) which really did seem logical,
look what I found in my notes and archived images!!!

It is maddeningly uncited, but listed as a 19th century Ottoman Turkish military sword.

So the question remains, where did this finger stall feature come in? and since it is so prevalent on Italian swords, what prompted the influence?

Note this Ottoman sword has the similar protruding quillon.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Salaams Jim, Nice to find that reference ...The stamps are clearly Ottoman arabic with God on the circular stamp and rasul...etc etc unreadable on the other... invoking the style of inscription which is among other things Talismanic by definition.
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[Martin Lubojacky]

Jim,
Tank you really very much ! You located the sword ! So it is Ottoman (and those friends who said "Ottoman armoury stamp" were also probably true). Please, isn´t there more detailed information - especially dating in your source ? Could you disclose that source ?

Ibrahim,
Also thanks for your stamps remarks. Plase, could you look at that Crete long knife thread ? - I received another translation (Osman Han -- which is different from Ali -- do you think it could be coused by using osmanli, i.e.Ottoman arabic ??))
Best
Martin

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by Martin Lubojacky

Jim,
Tank you really very much ! You located the sword ! So it is Ottoman (and those friends who said "Ottoman armoury stamp" were also probably true). Please, isn´t there more detailed information - especially dating in your source ? Could you disclose that source ?

Ibrahim,
Also thanks for your stamps remarks. Plase, could you look at that Crete long knife thread ? - I received another translation (Osman Han -- which is different from Ali -- do you think it could be coused by using osmanli, i.e.Ottoman arabic ??))
Best
Martin

Martin, that's the problem. I located this image in scattered notes of mine listed as Ottoman military sabre of 19th c (I don't use such specific classifications lightly ) but could not find the source of origin. Somebody here had a reference of Ottoman military weapons, and I'd like to find that as well. It seems many of these anomalies fall into the 'Ottoman' netherworld as they were 'westernizing' their armies.