When in India "died" wootz?

[mahratt]

Originally Posted by estcrh

Links for you.

http://www.swordforum.com/forums/sho...Persian-Swords

http://www.swordforum.com/forums/sho...Persian-Swords

https://ncc.academia.edu/AnnFeuerbach

Thank you very much my friend! I have read articles Ann Feuerbach. But I think I need to read them again, to see the article in the context of references to historical documents.

[estcrh]

The Encyclopaedia of Islam, Sir Hamilton Alexander Rosskeen, 1954.

[mahratt]

Originally Posted by estcrh

The Encyclopaedia of Islam, Sir Hamilton Alexander Rosskeen, 1954.

Thank you!

Do I understand correctly that in this passage from an article talking about the fact that in 1840 in Bukhara produced wootz on old technology?

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by mahratt

Thank you!

Do I understand correctly that in this passage from an article talking about the fact that in 1840 in Bukhara produced wootz on old technology?

That is how I understand it, which could mean that Bukharan swords with bulat blades could have continued to be made quite late. But no evidence in Syria it seems.

[mahratt]

Originally Posted by estcrh

That is how I understand it, which could mean that Bukharan swords with bulat blades could have continued to be made quite late.

Yes exactly. Because 1840 - it can be considered a mid-19th century.

Originally Posted by estcrh

But no evidence in Syria it seems.

I think wootz produced in mid-late 19 centry (or at least do the blades of old wootz steel billets) in Central Asia and Afghanistan.

[mahratt]

Originally Posted by estcrh

The Encyclopaedia of Islam, Sir Hamilton Alexander Rosskeen, 1954.

Tell me, please, this passage on what page?

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by mahratt

Tell me, please, this passage on what page?

Page 973

One question I have....did Persia actually produce wootz steel, I know they produced steel but was it wootz, or did they import their wootz and just forge the blades in Persia.

[mahratt]

Originally Posted by estcrh

Page 973

Many thanks!

Originally Posted by estcrh

One question I have....did Persia actually produce wootz steel, I know they produced steel but was it wootz, or did they import their wootz and just forge the blades in Persia.

This is a difficult question. I do not have data for the 18-19 age. But Al-Biruni wrote that in Herat produced wootz. Herat - is Persia ...

At the same time there is no doubt that the finest blades of wootz steel is made in Persia.

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by mahratt

Many thanks!



This is a difficult question. I do not have data for the 18-19 age. But Al-Biruni wrote that in Herat produced wootz. Herat - is Persia ...

At the same time there is no doubt that the finest blades of wootz steel is made in Persia.

By Manouchehr Moshtagh Khorasani

Saturday, 23 November
I held a public lecture on "Crucible and Welded Steel Weapons on Oriental Weapons: From Persian, Ottoman and Indian Examples". This event was held at the dining room at the President's Palace in Valletta on November 23, 2013 from 10:30 a.m. to 11:30 a.m. The event was held under the distinguished patronage of His Excellency Dr. George Abela, President of Malta. I would like to thank Dr. Abela here again for all his support for the whole event. My table of contents of my presentation included the following: a) Crucible steel, b) Forging process of crucible steel, c) Crucible steel patterns, d) Pattern-welded steel, e) Pattern-welded steel patterns, f) Indian examples, g) Ottoman examples, h) Persian examples and i) Summary.


I started the lecture by introducing how crucible steel was made and showed some picture of the process. I explained that crucible steel was called pulād-e jŏhardār (watered steel) in Persian. Then I showed different crucible steel blade patterns such as a) pulād-e jŏhardār-e mošabak (watered steel with net pattern; a type of crucible steel with woodgrain pattern), b) qaraxorāsāni(black watered steel from Xorāsān / Khorasan), c) pulād-e jŏhardār-e qerq nardebān (watered steel with ladder pattern), d) lolo (pearl pattern; rose pattern), e) pulād-e mavvāj or pulād-e mŏjdār(a type of crucible steel with wavy pattern) and f) pulād-e jŏhardār-e xati (lined watered steel; a type of crucible steel with lined pattern).


In the next step, I moved to the process of how patttern-welded steel was made in Persia. Although pattern-welded steel was used to a limited extent for making blades, it was mostly used for making gun barrels in Persia. The pattern-welded steel is called pulād-e masnu’i (artificial steel; pattern welded steel) that is divided into a) pulād-e motabbaq (layered steel) that is further divided into pulād-e motabbaq-e montazam (layered and ordered steel) and pulād-e motabbaq-e rangi (colored and layered steel) and b) pulād-e piči (twisted steel) that is further divided into pulād-e piči-ye montazam (twisted and ordered steel) and pulād-e piči-ye rangi (twisted and colored steel). Then I showed examples from Indian, Ottoman and Persian edged weapons. The presentation was a huge success and many people really liked it and talked to me after the presentation about these types of steel.

[mahratt]

estcrh, I read a books last days of Russian travelers. Those travelers who were in Persia and Bukhara Khanate in 1820-1900 years. Based on their descriptions - in Persia produced wootz.