Turkish Chamber in Dresden

Ren Ren · 1st February 2016, 09:47 PM

Excellent show!

Thank you Tatyana!

ariel · 2nd February 2016, 12:27 PM

I had no idea they had a lot of examples of non-Ottoman weapons!
With their meticulous archiving system, it would be very interesting to know the dates of acquisition of Laz Bicagi, Caucasian kindjals etc. Might it be possible that they appeared much earlier than we suspect?

Or was it just an exhibition of Oriental weapons in general? Was there a catalogue?

mahratt · 2nd February 2016, 12:30 PM

Great items!

Thank you Tatyana!

CharlesS · 2nd February 2016, 01:21 PM

Not only are these rare and gorgeous items, but they appear meticulously cared for, and not hanged and forgotten like some museums.

Thanks for sharing!

Tatyana Dianova · 3rd February 2016, 07:35 AM

The majority of the items was published in the two Turkish Chamber catalogues. The larger of them (in German only) has the full Ottoman core collection with very good descriptions. It features all the items from the main displays. These are Ottoman and Eastern Europe items till 18th century.
There are also two small displays which show later 19th century items. These items are not published, and the content of one of these displays was changed once in the last couple of years.
Alas, there are no more detailed descriptions to the items in museum - the focus is on audio devices given to the one day tourists :-)
The Saxonian electors and kings were adding items to their collection up till the beginning of 20th century, and there are definitely many great later items in the collection which are unshown. For example, I know that alone the quantity of Keris in Dresden is around 10,000 ! No one of them is shown at the moment, and I know from Alan Maisey who has seen them, that their condition is really pitiful, although they are kept in a very modern store... Also many early oriental blades on display show deep pitting and were obviously cleaned from rust chemically...

ariel · 3rd February 2016, 10:16 AM

I have the "big" one, but was unaware of the rest.

What a pity about the "not shown" ones.....

Are private collectors the only owners who oil their treasures?

Ian · 3rd February 2016, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

... Are private collectors the only owners who oil their treasures?

Probably the main ones who do so regularly and with attention to detail. I'm sure there are some professional conservators with museums who do a great job, but their time must be spread out trying to care for an enormous number of individual pieces, meaning that any one piece probably does not get the full attention it deserves.

Ian

1st February 2016, 09:47 PM	#1
Ren Ren Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 379	Excellent show! Thank you Tatyana!

2nd February 2016, 12:27 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I had no idea they had a lot of examples of non-Ottoman weapons! With their meticulous archiving system, it would be very interesting to know the dates of acquisition of Laz Bicagi, Caucasian kindjals etc. Might it be possible that they appeared much earlier than we suspect? Or was it just an exhibition of Oriental weapons in general? Was there a catalogue?

2nd February 2016, 12:30 PM	#3
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	Great items! Thank you Tatyana!

2nd February 2016, 01:21 PM	#4
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Not only are these rare and gorgeous items, but they appear meticulously cared for, and not hanged and forgotten like some museums. Thanks for sharing!

3rd February 2016, 07:35 AM	#5
Tatyana Dianova Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 737	The majority of the items was published in the two Turkish Chamber catalogues. The larger of them (in German only) has the full Ottoman core collection with very good descriptions. It features all the items from the main displays. These are Ottoman and Eastern Europe items till 18th century. There are also two small displays which show later 19th century items. These items are not published, and the content of one of these displays was changed once in the last couple of years. Alas, there are no more detailed descriptions to the items in museum - the focus is on audio devices given to the one day tourists :-) The Saxonian electors and kings were adding items to their collection up till the beginning of 20th century, and there are definitely many great later items in the collection which are unshown. For example, I know that alone the quantity of Keris in Dresden is around 10,000 ! No one of them is shown at the moment, and I know from Alan Maisey who has seen them, that their condition is really pitiful, although they are kept in a very modern store... Also many early oriental blades on display show deep pitting and were obviously cleaned from rust chemically...

3rd February 2016, 10:16 AM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I have the "big" one, but was unaware of the rest. What a pity about the "not shown" ones..... Are private collectors the only owners who oil their treasures?