Oriental knife ID?!

Kubur · 25th January 2016, 11:10 AM

I agree with Mister Gavin.
The decoration on the scabbard and the style of the hilt push to Turkey.
Did someone translate the inscription?
Kubur

mariusgmioc · 25th January 2016, 03:34 PM

The hilt is definitely walrus ivory as the blade is wootz. Moreover, the type of wootz appears to be of Persian origin (high contrast with rather large streaks of watering pattern). This, I believe will place the knife somewhere in the 18th century. The writing on the blade looks rather strange. Can somebody identify what kind of script it is... if it is any?!

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 25th January 2016, 05:51 PM

Salaams All. It is always nice to know what is written when looking at say Latin or Anglo Saxon script.etc In the case of Islamic script something entirely additional is being reflected... The Talismanic effect (Talisman is in fact an arabic word Taslamen) ...protection from evil ...good luck...Often the date is submerged in the text as in this case where on the left side is the date. Two styles predominate..there are more but Kufic and Cursive are the main styles. Kufic is straight and angular with thick lines ending in a chamferred edge whilst Cursive is devoid of angles and formed by lines where downstrokes and upstrokes alternate...

Kufic and Cursive below examples..

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

mariusgmioc · 25th January 2016, 09:10 PM

Thank you Ibrahiim!
Kufic I believe was the old Turkish script. So this might place it to Turkey. You mentioned a date hidden in the script. What date is it?
Best regards,
Marius

Kubur · 25th January 2016, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Kufic and Cursive below examples..

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Kufic is a style
Cursive is not a style.
I think you mean nashki and thuluth
Kufic is not Ottoman, it's very old around 9th c.
Marius could you send a better picture of your text? I think you have a date on your knife...

Regards,
Kubur

mariusgmioc · 25th January 2016, 11:49 PM

here is the text

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 2nd February 2016, 04:50 PM

Salaams all...Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudo-Kufic

The project knife is not pseudo script..The date appears on the left of the item ... These inscriptions are automatically Talismanic thus there is some reluctance in providing translations by some ...quite understandable.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

mariusgmioc · 2nd February 2016, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Salaams all...Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudo-Kufic

The project knife is not pseudo script..The date appears on the left of the item ... These inscriptions are automatically Talismanic thus there is some reluctance in providing translations by some ...quite understandable.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Thank you again for your assitance!

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 27th January 2016, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Kufic is a style
Cursive is not a style.
I think you mean nashki and thuluth
Kufic is not Ottoman, it's very old around 9th c.
Marius could you send a better picture of your text? I think you have a date on your knife...

Regards,
Kubur

Salaams Kubur ...You are right. Serves me right for trying to short circuit the definition... Perhaps readers will look at http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/islamic_calligraphy/ for a ballanced fuller look at the styles... I think the date is over on the left side of the picture...
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

25th January 2016, 11:10 AM	#1
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	I agree with Mister Gavin. The decoration on the scabbard and the style of the hilt push to Turkey. Did someone translate the inscription? Kubur Attached Images

25th January 2016, 03:34 PM	#2
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,912	Details The hilt is definitely walrus ivory as the blade is wootz. Moreover, the type of wootz appears to be of Persian origin (high contrast with rather large streaks of watering pattern). This, I believe will place the knife somewhere in the 18th century. The writing on the blade looks rather strange. Can somebody identify what kind of script it is... if it is any?!

25th January 2016, 05:51 PM	#3
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Salaams All. It is always nice to know what is written when looking at say Latin or Anglo Saxon script.etc In the case of Islamic script something entirely additional is being reflected... The Talismanic effect (Talisman is in fact an arabic word Taslamen) ...protection from evil ...good luck...Often the date is submerged in the text as in this case where on the left side is the date. Two styles predominate..there are more but Kufic and Cursive are the main styles. Kufic is straight and angular with thick lines ending in a chamferred edge whilst Cursive is devoid of angles and formed by lines where downstrokes and upstrokes alternate... Kufic and Cursive below examples.. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. Attached Images Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 25th January 2016 at 06:12 PM.

25th January 2016, 09:10 PM	#4
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,912	What date?! Thank you Ibrahiim! Kufic I believe was the old Turkish script. So this might place it to Turkey. You mentioned a date hidden in the script. What date is it? Best regards, Marius

25th January 2016, 11:49 PM	#6
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,912	here is the text Attached Images

2nd February 2016, 04:50 PM	#7
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Salaams all...Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudo-Kufic The project knife is not pseudo script..The date appears on the left of the item ... These inscriptions are automatically Talismanic thus there is some reluctance in providing translations by some ...quite understandable. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi.