Kris question to the knowledgeables

Rick · 17th January 2006, 09:43 PM

Indra is a deity ; how can we make assumptions about the composition of what a deity holds ?

A 'Pusaka' is a cherished heirloom passed on from generation to generation within a family be they rich or poor .
A Pusaka is not necessarily a keris it is a descriptive term ; it can be many other objects .

Pusaka · 17th January 2006, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Indra is a deity ; how can we make assumptions about the composition of what a deity holds ?

A 'Pusaka' is a cherished heirloom passed on from generation to generation within a family be they rich or poor .
A Pusaka is not necessarily a keris it is a descriptive term ; it can be many other objects .

Rick, the Rig Veda tells us that the weapon is made from Ayas, its not an assumption. If indeed Ayas is meteorite iron then we are talking about a blade made from meteorite iron.

About the pusaka keris, I was simply trying to make the point that there is a difference between a keris you wear everyday and a keris pusaka.

Rick · 17th January 2006, 11:12 PM

The bible tells us that Jonah was swallowed by a whale and Jesus walked on water .
Am I to take this literally ?
I need a little more concrete evidence myself .
Also we are now back to the meteorite iron thing .
Now I won't contest that the keris is descended from Hindu weaponry ; it makes logical sense .
For the rest I personally need more than religious allegory .

As for the pusaka keris ; it does not necessarily have magic power ; rather it may just be an important family heirloom .

MABAGANI · 18th January 2006, 01:37 AM

re: Deities in Hinduism and Buddhism, "swords represent cutting ignorance but to someone unfamiliar with the symbolism, it could represent some sort of violence. A sword is a symbol of enlightenment used to destroy ignorance which is the enemy of liberation from the bonds of wordly attachments." In regards to Indra and his thunderbolts, aren't they a metaphor for a meteoric weapon coming from the heavens as opposed to an actual weapon which no mortal could possess? unless they had reached the same spiritual realm, of course?

17th January 2006, 09:43 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Indra is a deity ; how can we make assumptions about the composition of what a deity holds ? A 'Pusaka' is a cherished heirloom passed on from generation to generation within a family be they rich or poor . A Pusaka is not necessarily a keris it is a descriptive term ; it can be many other objects . Last edited by Rick; 17th January 2006 at 09:58 PM.

17th January 2006, 11:12 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	The bible tells us that Jonah was swallowed by a whale and Jesus walked on water . Am I to take this literally ? I need a little more concrete evidence myself . Also we are now back to the meteorite iron thing . Now I won't contest that the keris is descended from Hindu weaponry ; it makes logical sense . For the rest I personally need more than religious allegory . As for the pusaka keris ; it does not necessarily have magic power ; rather it may just be an important family heirloom .

18th January 2006, 01:37 AM	#4
MABAGANI Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 221	re: Deities in Hinduism and Buddhism, "swords represent cutting ignorance but to someone unfamiliar with the symbolism, it could represent some sort of violence. A sword is a symbol of enlightenment used to destroy ignorance which is the enemy of liberation from the bonds of wordly attachments." In regards to Indra and his thunderbolts, aren't they a metaphor for a meteoric weapon coming from the heavens as opposed to an actual weapon which no mortal could possess? unless they had reached the same spiritual realm, of course?