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Old 20th January 2016, 02:31 PM   #1
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a last one 19th c.
That is just beautiful! Thanks for sharing!
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Old 20th January 2016, 05:28 PM   #2
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The generous use of turquoise reminds me of Elgood's comment in his book on Aravian weapons about Bukharan jewellers settling and working there.
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Old 21st January 2016, 08:27 PM   #3
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Kubur,
Never seen one like it!
The "kufic" style of the script and certain other features make me wonder if it is a european interpretation of a omani khanjar.
Can you tell us anything more about it?
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Old 22nd January 2016, 12:12 PM   #4
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Hi Richard,

It's a 'pure' Omani khanjar from the 19th c.
Collected during the 19th c. and now at the MET in NY.
I hope that this piece will be in the new catalog that they just published...

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Old 22nd January 2016, 12:20 PM   #5
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I cant resist another cool boy...
This time SA, Mekka style...
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Old 22nd January 2016, 02:47 PM   #6
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Hi Richard,

It's a 'pure' Omani khanjar from the 19th c.
Collected during the 19th c. and now at the MET in NY.
I hope that this piece will be in the new catalog that they just published...

Bets,
Kubur

Salaams Kubur, Is this a Russian or Indian masterpiece? Any ideas who was the maker / workshop? Clearly commissioned for a vip?... The style looks like a Al Busaidi with "on steroid" precious stones added. Occasionally I see lavish examples but I never saw such a piece .. The Ibaathi consider such adornment "over the top" ... but of course if it is a Royal Gift these things sometimes transcend that concept... The blade is hugely adorned and in Gold... again never seen before...


Met Exhibit. I found the item at http://www.metmuseum.org/collection/...N+DAGGER&pos=4 where it is described as Arabian...Jambiya...suggesting Oman not as the point of use or manufacture. It furthur indicates an out of Oman point of craftsmanship thus I look at Indian style especially in the lavish use of Turquoise possibly from La Dak famous for that stone.

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Old 22nd January 2016, 06:35 PM   #7
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Salaam Ibrahem,

Ok lets agree to disagree.
I have a great respect for your knowledge and passion for the arms of your country such as sayf, kattara and khanjar...
Nevertheless it's not because you don't know this type of khanjar that this khanjar is not from Oman!
Don't worry, a lot of members on this forum are like you...
It's maybe a khanjar produced in Oman but with the help of other craftmen.
India is a good track....but look at Persia/Iran, Ottoman too.
And its definitively 19th c.

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Old 23rd January 2016, 03:18 PM   #8
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Salaam Ibrahem,

Ok lets agree to disagree.
I have a great respect for your knowledge and passion for the arms of your country such as sayf, kattara and khanjar...
Nevertheless it's not because you don't know this type of khanjar that this khanjar is not from Oman!
Don't worry, a lot of members on this forum are like you...
It's maybe a khanjar produced in Oman but with the help of other craftmen.
India is a good track....but look at Persia/Iran, Ottoman too.
And its definitively 19th c.

Kind regards

Im not sure what Im agreeing to disagree to but I will anyway ...I can see part Omani in this very highly decorated Khanjar which I suspect is Indian ...I didn't list the other possibilities but as you say...any class workshop could be responsible... The Met didnt qualify it except to indicate 19th C ... Where made? I suggested La Dak as a possible. It is certainly top end of the jeweller workshop and way out of line for an Omani type...It must have been stripped right back and rebuilt. I have seen Russian work and can't rule that out. It remends me of the Faberge Egg !

Here I place some fine work ...by no means the jewelled form of the hybrid at the Met but showing what happens when a top Russian workshops gets hold of a project.

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Met Exhibit. I found the item at http://www.metmuseum.org/collection/...N+DAGGER&pos=4 where it is described as Arabian...Jambiya...suggesting Oman not as the point of use or manufacture. It furthur indicates an out of Oman point of craftsmanship thus I look at Indian style especially in the lavish use of Turquoise possibly from La Dak famous for that stone.

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Ibrahiim, do not just trust the Met Collection descriptions, many are wrong and seem to be decades old, possibly just copys of the description when donated. I have identified several less than accurate discriptions in their online arms and armor images.
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Old 28th January 2016, 03:15 PM   #10
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Ibrahiim, do not just trust the Met Collection descriptions, many are wrong and seem to be decades old, possibly just copys of the description when donated. I have identified several less than accurate discriptions in their online arms and armor images.
Salaams estcrh ~ Well I have to say that the Met does loom rather large in the business of trusted expertise and status... and looking at the contributor he also carries a certain degree of weight.

What we have here is some sort or degree of Omani Khanjar carcass worked over by an expert workshop specialising in gems etc and a degree of very up market expertise in this field. It would be interesting to source the workshops which have already been pointed to as being Persian, Indian, Ottoman ...possibly Russian or another European house?

Salaams grendolino, Agreed on the Russian influence ...Thanks.

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Hi Richard,

It's a 'pure' Omani khanjar from the 19th c.
Collected during the 19th c. and now at the MET in NY.
I hope that this piece will be in the new catalog that they just published...

Bets,
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