Turkish Pala. Help with inscriptions.

ALEX · 7th January 2016, 02:32 PM

Kubur, I see. The first one is tough as the cartouche is of different quality than others, visually it looks right, but there are giveaways I'd not go about here. All I can tell is I saw old wootz swords being sold without cartouches, and then some time later mysteriously reappeared with similar, even better quality cartouches. but this one is easier as it has new blade)
As for wooden sword, you could be right. it's just me being skeptical about it)

estcrh · 8th January 2016, 07:01 AM

While we are on the subject....very recently I have seen a rash of swords/daggers etc that just look funny, either they have no wear but appear to be nicely made, or they have a lot of gold that looks really new while the sword/dagger looks old but not of the quality to be layered in gold etc etc. Some of the sales prices have been quite high.

How about this, bone grip, lots of new looking gold, the sellers description never mentions age.

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Super Rare Beautiful Gold Inlaid islamic Indo Persian Shamshir Dagger, you are looking at a Super Rare Beautiful Gold inlaid Indo Persian islamic Shamshir dagger, Wootz blade engraved with gold koftgari islamic calligraphy, handle bone with with gold inlay, Overall length 13"

ALEX · 8th January 2016, 10:55 AM

Estcrh, good observation and comments. Your feelings are well merited. most of the items coming from the same source as this one are enhanced, modified or at least questionable. The seller does not mention age. the notion of "most amazing and rare dagger on earth" is subjective and individual, some like items that just "look" amazing, as the swords above, but in terms of ethnographic or historic significance they are meaningless.

7th January 2016, 02:32 PM	#1
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Kubur, I see. The first one is tough as the cartouche is of different quality than others, visually it looks right, but there are giveaways I'd not go about here. All I can tell is I saw old wootz swords being sold without cartouches, and then some time later mysteriously reappeared with similar, even better quality cartouches. but this one is easier as it has new blade) As for wooden sword, you could be right. it's just me being skeptical about it)

8th January 2016, 10:55 AM	#3
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Estcrh, good observation and comments. Your feelings are well merited. most of the items coming from the same source as this one are enhanced, modified or at least questionable. The seller does not mention age. the notion of "most amazing and rare dagger on earth" is subjective and individual, some like items that just "look" amazing, as the swords above, but in terms of ethnographic or historic significance they are meaningless.